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#1
03-28-2005, 11:48 PM
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Defend 33?
BB appeared to be drawing, I think I'm good here.
Thoughts? Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (6 max, 8 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls. Flop: (4 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. Turn: (3 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. River: (5 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, BB checks. Final Pot: 5 BB 
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#2
03-29-2005, 12:23 AM
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Re: Defend 33?
This isn't really 'defending'.
Unless you're defending your overly-loose play. *SNAP*. Ok, I admit it, I'm not funny. Lets see you do better.
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#3
03-29-2005, 03:19 AM
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Re: Defend 33?
The river is the only interesting street IMO. You might have a value bet, but then again have to fold when raised I think. Also could induce a bluff. If bb is unknown i think i fire another bet out there.
Where's the defend part?
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#4
03-29-2005, 03:40 AM
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Re: Defend 33?
[ QUOTE ]
The river is the only interesting street IMO. You might have a value bet, but then again have to fold when raised I think. Also could induce a bluff. If bb is unknown i think i fire another bet out there. Where's the defend part? [/ QUOTE ] i dont see what you see as interesting. imo, all hands that would bet as a bluff (club draws) will probably just check behind instead of betting b/c it seems as though hero will call. if there was a turn CHECK and the 9 paired then i agree with you. but since hero bet the turn, the pr(villian bluffing) decreases substantially making the river a pretty clear bet fold to a raise imo. any ace will almost certainly call. a bottom pair MIGHT fold and those two probabilities combined make it worth the bet b/c a pair better than 3 may check behind when it would have folded to the bet... -Barron
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#7
04-29-2005, 10:27 AM
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Re: Defend 33?
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The river is the only interesting street IMO. You might have a value bet, but then again have to fold when raised I think. Also could induce a bluff. If bb is unknown i think i fire another bet out there. Where's the defend part? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i dont see what you see as interesting. imo, all hands that would bet as a bluff (club draws) will probably just check behind instead of betting b/c it seems as though hero will call. if there was a turn CHECK and the 9 paired then i agree with you. but since hero bet the turn, the pr(villian bluffing) decreases substantially making the river a pretty clear bet fold to a raise imo. any ace will almost certainly call. a bottom pair MIGHT fold and those two probabilities combined make it worth the bet b/c a pair better than 3 may check behind when it would have folded to the bet... -Barron [/ QUOTE ] I'm going to disagree with you both and say this is a clear check call. No better hand than hero's will fold -- especially when the river pairs the board. That is, if he called the turn with any pair he'll call again on the river almost 100% of the time. The only hand worse than hero's that will call is an A -- maybe. So there's almost nothing to be gained by betting. And there's a decent chance that BB will bluff with a busted draw, which gains you an extra BB, or check behind with something like 3rd pair, which saves you a BB.
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#8
04-29-2005, 10:44 AM
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Re: Defend 33?
It seems like the perfect river to induce a bluff.
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#10
04-29-2005, 12:25 PM
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Re: Defend 33?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The river is the only interesting street IMO. You might have a value bet, but then again have to fold when raised I think. Also could induce a bluff. If bb is unknown i think i fire another bet out there. Where's the defend part? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i dont see what you see as interesting. imo, all hands that would bet as a bluff (club draws) will probably just check behind instead of betting b/c it seems as though hero will call. if there was a turn CHECK and the 9 paired then i agree with you. but since hero bet the turn, the pr(villian bluffing) decreases substantially making the river a pretty clear bet fold to a raise imo. any ace will almost certainly call. a bottom pair MIGHT fold and those two probabilities combined make it worth the bet b/c a pair better than 3 may check behind when it would have folded to the bet... -Barron [/ QUOTE ] I'm going to disagree with you both and say this is a clear check call. No better hand than hero's will fold -- especially when the river pairs the board. That is, if he called the turn with any pair he'll call again on the river almost 100% of the time. The only hand worse than hero's that will call is an A -- maybe. So there's almost nothing to be gained by betting. And there's a decent chance that BB will bluff with a busted draw, which gains you an extra BB, or check behind with something like 3rd pair, which saves you a BB. [/ QUOTE ] agreed a 6 isn't folding...but i see 44/55 as having a tough time calling given i bet all the streets. further i do see A2 calling along with A4 and A5... he doesn't have a Q...he may have a 6...and if he has a 9 he raises and we fold...i'd say given that he just call call called we have him beat here that the pr(having him beat & he calls with that hand) combined with the pr(him folding 44/55) dictate a bet. but i do think its close. -Barron
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