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#1
07-08-2005, 07:28 AM
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Re: Liberal Blind Defense
If you think the TAG is a smart player, then I don't think he/she folds enough to make this move. I've been in hands like this before where I try to 4x blind steal, and I know that you know that I'm trying to steal and I know that you will try to re-steal, etc. Just seems way too obvious of a move against a decent player.
If you are going to make a move on the flop regardless of the flop, would a preflop 3 bet be more effective? 
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#2
07-08-2005, 08:35 PM
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Re: Liberal Blind Defense
I like check call the flop, then lead the turn. or check call flop check raise turn better in this situation than the flop donk bet.
I would like to have real good stats on this player before I make this play.
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#3
07-08-2005, 10:48 PM
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Re: Liberal Blind Defense
Preflop is a must call in that situation with any 2.
Postflop I think betting and folding to a raise is probably the only +EV move you can make to take it away. Check-raising, check-call/betting, all these destroy your odds and a less intimidating looking line with better odds is probably best. I think check-raising sometimes has merit against the right guy, but again, I think betting is better, as check-raising has to work twice as often.
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#4
07-09-2005, 04:32 AM
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Re: Liberal Blind Defense
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Preflop is a must call in that situation with any 2. [/ QUOTE ] I've seen 2 or 3 people say this in this thread. How are you guys reaching this conclusion? I'm willing to be convinced that this is a good call, but as it stands right now, I don't see how 5.5:1 is anywhere close to being enough to call with crap like 52o out of position vs a preflop TAG raiser. What, are you going to take your flopped pair of 2s to showdown? Are you going to chase to the river just because both of your cards might still be drawing live vs his A high? Just how often do you think you'll flop the monster required to make this call profitable? I want to hear some solid arguments.
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#6
07-09-2005, 07:27 PM
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Re: Liberal Blind Defense
well, yours is a solid argument and one that I agree with. I might call with 52 in the bb if the sb raises and we are heads-up. Even then, it's just a "might call". In this spot, I don't know why one would call.
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#7
07-10-2005, 04:22 PM
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Re: Liberal Blind Defense
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you wont. there's no reason on earth to play 52o there. none. it's mindless spewage [/ QUOTE ] Tell me you aren't serious. Please. The only hand he is worse than 5.5:1 dog against is 55. This decision is close, but it certainly isn't an automatic fold. What kind of TAG are we talking about here? Is he deceptive or Straighforward? Whats our image? Will he believe us if we represent a big hand? Is he capable of folding if he believes us? Will he pay us off when the flop is A34 and he has AK and its 3 bets on the turn? This kind of hand plays very well against opponents whose standards are easy to identify. If we flop bottom pair, or 2nd pair, it only takes 1 BB against a straightforward opponent to know where we're at, and then we can act accordingly. When we flop trips, 2pair, or a straight however, sed TAG will never put 25 into our range, and will pay us off liberally. I'm not sure if a call is correct, but its close. To dismiss it blindly is just silly. lf
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#8
07-10-2005, 04:48 PM
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Re: Liberal Blind Defense
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When we flop trips, 2pair, or a straight however, sed TAG will never put 25 into our range, and will pay us off liberally. [/ QUOTE ] Do you have any idea how rarely you'll flop trips, two pair, or a straight? Anyway, I'm done with this thread.
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#9
07-09-2005, 08:34 AM
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Re: Liberal Blind Defense
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I want to hear some solid arguments. [/ QUOTE ] pokenum -h ah kc - 5s 2d Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kc Ah 1102765 64.40 601104 35.10 8435 0.49 0.646 5s 2d 601104 35.10 1102765 64.40 8435 0.49 0.354 http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1072609
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#10
07-09-2005, 02:51 PM
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Re: Liberal Blind Defense
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I want to hear some solid arguments. [/ QUOTE ] pokenum -h ah kc - 5s 2d Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kc Ah 1102765 64.40 601104 35.10 8435 0.49 0.646 5s 2d 601104 35.10 1102765 64.40 8435 0.49 0.354 http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1072609 [/ QUOTE ] This is nearly worthless because it assumes going to the river when the flop is QJ2 or winning on the river when the final board is QJ982.
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