flop math

[Hosayif]

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hm is there a general formula of some sort?

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What, you cant do that in your head at the table?

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hm is there a general formula of some sort?

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What, you cant do that in your head at the table?

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I think I'd settle for knowing my opponent's cards, thank you.

[donkeyradish]

Thinking out loud
A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] vs. K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Flop of J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Can you say that AJ 'outflopped' KQ? Sure its ahead now, but I don't like its chances a whole lot.

ie. What is it we are trying to calculate, really?

i think what we are trying to get at is that we always look at AK vs. TT as being close to a coin flip.. but TT can put in a big bet pre-flop, see that nothing hit (although obviously doesn't know opponent doesn't have J or Q) and then put in another tantalizing bet (not all-in, but take advantage of opponent frustration). of course, good players know that they may be facing only 6 outs, although could have opponent dominated.

to the guy who posted the flop hand.. interesting point but you've totally manipulated the flop for your purposes.. generally if a J falls without an A or K, our player is sitting pretty..

i asked this question on another forum recently and got answers for sites that have this..

[mudbuddha]

in that case KQ out flopped AJ.. but for examples like TT vs AJ, if AJ doesnt hit then TT is ahead. or another example that your pocket pair will hit 1/8. so 1/8 that u outflop the other hand.

but lets say AK vs 67.. how often would that out flop? because then you would know the implied odds you would require to call a big raise with suited connectors or hands of the sort.