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Old 08-08-2004, 04:32 PM
StellarWind StellarWind is offline
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Default Re: Proper hand protection? ATs on an Ace-high monotone flop

Tough hand. I consider this hand to be unprotectable. If a diamond comes you will almost surely lose. Not necessarily to a flush, but you will lose. Usually someone will have a diamond given Button's strong play and Cutoff's persistent calling. [I assume Cutoff will call one bet on the turn. You don't need to raise if he has already clicked Fold.] If Button doesn't have a diamond, what is he doing? He can hear (PFR) and see (the board). What is his diamond-free hand supposed to be that can't beat AT?

I would bet the flop and go into calldown mode when I got raised and just call the turn. I don't want to sink a lot of extra money into a very scary hand.

If the river is a blank I check. The A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is on the board so his hand is not likely to be Ax. You will make more money hoping for a bluff from a missed flush draw than betting into a possible flush.
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Old 08-10-2004, 11:24 AM
ArieRibbens ArieRibbens is offline
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Default Re: Proper hand protection? ATs on an Ace-high monotone flop

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Checkraising gives the CO 10:2 odds to call.

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That is not true, he is already in for 1 so it gives him 10:1 to call, therefore it is very likely he will call.

Or am i mistakin? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 08-10-2004, 11:38 AM
bdk3clash bdk3clash is offline
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Default Re: Proper hand protection? ATs on an Ace-high monotone flop

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Checkraising gives the CO 10:2 odds to call.

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That is not true, he is already in for 1 so it gives him 10:1 to call, therefore it is very likely he will call.

Or am i mistakin? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I meant checkraising the turn. There are 7 BBs in the pot at the start of the turn: I check, CO checks, button bets (8 BBs), I raise (10 BBs). CO has a 10 BB pot and must call 2 BBs to proceed.

Oh yeah, I don't have the results but from what I remember CO folded, button called. River was some blank; I bet, button called with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for the second nuts. I play g00t.
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Old 08-10-2004, 11:52 AM
me454555 me454555 is offline
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Default Re: Proper hand protection? ATs on an Ace-high monotone flop

What kind of hand were you trying to protect you're hand from? Any singleton diamond is coming along and any higher ace already has you beat. The way I see it you're either slightly ahead of a good draw, way behind a flush or higher ace, or way ahead of a pocket pair/lower pair.

You don't really need to protect you're hand anymore. This is a tough spot. I'd probobly run the stop n' go and bet the turn and fold to a raise.
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