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Old 08-02-2004, 03:26 PM
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Default Re: Cloutiers PL/NL Book

He turned me into a newt.
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Old 08-02-2004, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: Cloutiers PL/NL Book

it doesn't seem so.
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Old 08-02-2004, 05:02 PM
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Default Re: Cloutiers PL/NL Book

I don't much care to be negative about peoples work, but I think 2+2ers deserve to know the following:

I'm not really happy with the book. Almost every starting hand he talks about except pocket aces begins with, "Now this is a hand you have to be careful with." Or something close to that. What kind of advice is that? Additionally, if you ever sit at a table with him, you'll notice he plays NOTHING like this book recomends. A lot of NL books are afraid to say things like, "Sometimes you gotta re-raise all-in with nothing". "You may want to be more aggressive and bluff more frequently against players who play many hands." "Keep track of who can lay top pair down, and raise this player more often." TJ's book doesn't come close to saying this stuff, instead he says something like, "Pocket kings are a hand you gotta be really careful with, be prepared to lay it down."

Someone else did mention a good point, the book is intended more for long multi-day tourneys, where weak tight cautous play may be useful. But, since most of us aren't playing $10,000 buy in tourneys I'd suggest borrowing someone elses copy for a day, and then returning it after you understand every hand is vulnerable.
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Old 08-02-2004, 10:29 PM
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Default Re: Cloutiers PL/NL Book

Who are you, again?
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Old 08-02-2004, 10:58 PM
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Default Re: Cloutiers PL/NL Book

this book is great for tournament strategy. However, I think it is too weak/tight for mid to high limit cash games.
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Old 08-02-2004, 11:03 PM
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I definitely agree with this post. If you are playing the WCOOP with a big starting stack and 30 minute online poker blinds, or a major B&M tourney. But it won't work on say, a party tourney with 15 minute blinds and 1000 dollar stacks. You have to be a little looser, especially since the players are so bad. Cloutier has had a lot of B&M success, and this book reflects a B&M style.
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Old 08-03-2004, 02:14 AM
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Default Re: Cloutiers PL/NL Book

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Who are you, again?

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Someone who doesn't give advice that I'm not qualified to give.
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Old 08-03-2004, 11:22 AM
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Default Re: Cloutiers PL/NL Book

You're, certainly, not qualified to question my qualifications for giving advice.
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Old 08-03-2004, 04:53 PM
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Default Re: Cloutiers PL/NL Book

I'm just a poker player with an opinion of TJ's book [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 08-04-2004, 05:59 PM
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this book is great for tournament strategy.

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No it isn't. It's terrible.
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