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Old 05-21-2004, 05:23 PM
Baulucky Baulucky is offline
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Default Re: Right time to push or just call?

Fair enough. Thanks. I'd still fold. What do you think of the hand?.
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Old 05-21-2004, 05:43 PM
The Ram The Ram is offline
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Default Re: Right time to push or just call?

I think there are two ideas here. I'd never fold, because top set is quite possibly the best hand here. The button was almost certainly betting this flop after raising PF, so a checkraise could mean about a million things. Pair and Ad. 2 pair (I'd hope not, but maybe). Just Ad and figuring hero would fold and button didn't have enough to call with. Absolutely nothing?
Anyway, I think a fold is insane. If the raise was substantially more, i.e. the BB had moved in, then a fold becomes OK. In this case, I think all in is just fine.
Another option is this: smooth call and take the turn card, and be prepared for the following:
1) The board pairs. I don't think anyone with a flush is going to fold here. So, get it all in then.
2) A diamond that isn't the ace. Consider: the BB probably doesn't have the nut flush. If he does, his big checkraise is a bit boneheaded. So, his flush (if he even has one) is probably more medium sized, like 7d8d or some such thing. If that is the case, he might even be able to be pushed off of his flush on this turn card, thinking that the hero's call was with the Ad. This play takes some serious guts, but it isn't out of the realm out possibility.
3) Any other card. I think that you'll get all the information you need regarding your opponents flush, or the potential lack thereof. Now, since you're in position, I think you'll be able to make your fold if you want--though, as I indicated, you really might have the best hand.

Given that #1 and #2 make up about 1/3 of the remaining cards and you're getting around 2:1 on your call, plus the chances that you're winning, a call can't be all that bad. While I still like the all in that Tdomeski made, I'm not overly opposed to a call.

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Old 05-21-2004, 05:53 PM
Baulucky Baulucky is offline
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Default Re: Right time to push or just call?

Agree. If you think the guy would call an allin on a paired board, a call is the right move (Did I mention that before?). I'd fold otherwise because I'm not pot committed yet (like that instead of the $6 remark?). I believe raising is the worst move here.

Please clarify: You say he may fold a non-nut flush if another diamond hits, but call on a paired board?. I don't understand.

Thanks for input.
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Old 05-22-2004, 02:24 PM
tdomeski tdomeski is offline
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Default Re: Right time to push or just call?

I think what Ram is saying is that a call by me after his raise looks more like a call with a naked Ace of [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] then with two pair or a set. . . Therefore if the board pairs, he fires out a $75 bet thinking his flush is still good and I go ahead and push and he calls. .But if a diamond falls on the turn, he's most likely to check/fold anything but the Ace of [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
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