Hand #1 against Bob T

[Bob T.]

Good guess, but we aren't to the turn yet.

[SA125]

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Tough to get a free card from the SB when a blank falls and showing weakness is never a good thing.

You're not raising in the hopes of getting a free card. You're betting your nut flush draw for value with multiple opponents.

If a blank hits on the turn, I may bet out or check/call, depending on how many opponents I have left once the flop smoke clears and what exactly that turn card is.

Luke

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I agree. There I was only pointing out the obvious difference between positions when raising flush draws. My real question was about the turn. I agree with the reason for the raise how you'd play the turn.

[rharless]

1. Your raising for value with all those opponents
2. Try to knock Bob T or UTG off a bigger ace than yours to free up those outs.

Actually, this 3-bet seems easy to me.

Yes, I agree 100%, and I really screwed this one up in real-time. As soon as I cold-called, I thought "well now why did I do that?" Since my plan was to check-raise Bob, not to check-3bet an LP bettor, and since I don't think as fast as I would like, I was momentarily confused by the new shooter. And, I did not know if Bob had also planned to check-raise (doubtful, as depending on a later bet with our passive table was dubious), or if he had simply whiffed the flop.

Then, when Bob cold-called behind me, the full error of my flop cold-call hit me in the face. Here I am with the positional advantage for the context of this betting round and do I use it? nooooo

Now:

Turn(14 BB): K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Now I have one of those so-called good problems. How to get the most money into the pot?

[Luke]

Yes, I agree 100%, and I really screwed this one up in real-time. As soon as I cold-called, I thought "well now why did I do that?"

We all make real-time mistakes that are easy to diagnose after the fact in the comfort of the forums. Don't sweat it.

Now I have one of those so-called good problems. How to get the most money into the pot?

I know it might give your hand away, but I'd bet out, hope to trap a couple callers in the middle and maybe, just maybe the CO or someone else who hit a smaller flush, straight or top pair king will raise allowing you to 3-bet.

Luke

[ElSapo]

If you can put Bob on AK, which seems logical given the action, I think you can try for that check-raise again since if he did hit that king he'll probably bet here.

[Bob T.]

I think that this could have been an easy decision for you. The key question is, what kinds of hands would I raise preflop with, check the flop, and then coldcall? I think by far the most likely hands are some variation of KQ, AQ, and AK. Anyway, with any of those hands, I am extremely likely to bet out on the turn, if it is checked to me.

[rharless]

Yes, this is what I did. I put Bob on AK/AQ after he coldcalled the flop so when the Ks fell on the turn, I thought fast (for once) and I checked. This time Bob did what he was "supposed" to do the first time [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img], and he bet. Of the other five, two folded and three called. I raised, Bob folded, the other three called.

Then they all called my river bet too when the Qh appeared. The opponents had AQo (straight), KQo (two pair with Q of spades), and 9s4s (medium flush).

The Ks was the absolute best card for me in that deck, as it singlehandedly improved FIVE of our hands.

Afterwards, I wondered if I should have bet and then hoped to 3-bet. I would think at least one would have found his hand fit enough to raise if I had bet. But then again, how would I know that the Ks improved everyone's hand?