Hand #1 against Bob T

rharless · #1 02-03-2004, 10:38 AM

I had the distinct pleasure of running into our own Bob T online last night. Nice playing with you, Bob!

All of our opponents in this hand are the very definition of Loose Passive.

Party Poker 5/10 (10 handed)
rharless has 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and is SB

UTG, MP2, MP3, CO, and Button all limps. I complete, and Bob T raises out of the BB. We all call.

Flop(14 SB): 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

We all (including Bob) check to MP2 who bets. MP3 calls, CO raises, and Button cold calls.

Call or 3-bet?

Joe Tall · #2 02-03-2004, 10:41 AM

I think you found out why you should bet the flop and frankly I'm not sure why you did not.

I c/r 3-bet in this situation. Build the pot up for your monster-draw.

Peace,
Joe Tall

rharless · #3 02-03-2004, 10:52 AM

I think you found out why you should bet the flop and frankly I'm not sure why you did not.

I figured with Bob to my left, it was the perfect c/r-build-a-pot situation. Also I figured he would raise when I bet and although obviously they are loose passive, I did not fancy facing the field with two bets cold.

Joe Tall · #4 02-03-2004, 11:13 AM

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I figured with Bob to my left, it was the perfect c/r-build-a-pot situation.

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Then follow through and come over the top for 3.

Peace,
Joe Tall

Luke · #5 02-03-2004, 11:20 AM

I think your plan to CR the flop instead betting into Bob T. makes sense and I think I would have likely done the same.

After the CO raise, I'd 3 bet here for 2 reasons:
1. Your raising for value with all those opponents
2. Try to knock Bob T or UTG off a bigger ace than yours to free up those outs.

Actually, this 3-bet seems easy to me.

Luke

SA125 · #6 02-03-2004, 11:35 AM

If you 3 bet the flop, do you come out firing from the SB at a blank on the turn? Tough to get a free card from the SB when a blank falls and showing weakness is never a good thing. Would your coming out firing knock others out? Probably not the other raiser. It's always nice to have the nut flush draw to fall back on though.

Luke · #7 02-03-2004, 11:42 AM

Tough to get a free card from the SB when a blank falls and showing weakness is never a good thing.

You're not raising in the hopes of getting a free card. You're betting your nut flush draw for value with multiple opponents.

If a blank hits on the turn, I may bet out or check/call, depending on how many opponents I have left once the flop smoke clears and what exactly that turn card is.

Luke

Bob T. · #8 02-03-2004, 12:35 PM

A 3 bet would have knocked me out. As it was, for two bets, I thought that I could continue.

Brian · #9 02-03-2004, 12:41 PM

I'm guessing Bob.T had AK and by not 3-betting you allowed an Ace to hit on the Turn and for Bob T. to take the pot.

-Brian

Bob T. · #10 02-03-2004, 12:46 PM

I had AK off, without a spade. I had 3 clean outs, and then another 7 that may or may not be good. With two cards in the playing zone, plus the 8, which was definately in the playing zone at this table, (where UTG coldcalled with 43 off) and a preflop raise usually generated 3 coldcallers, I figured I was definately behind in a 7 handed pot. I didn't even have the best draw. Because it was loose passive, flops sometimes got checked through, and I checked the flop hoping to see the turn for cheap. When it came back to me for two bets, (and we virtually never saw a threebet flop) I thought that my 3 clean outs, and 7 tainted ones were enough to continue in a big pot where I would be getting about 12-1 on my call.