KK giving me fits

2+2 Junkie · #1 10-24-2005, 11:30 PM

Here are two KK hands that I really didn't know what to do on:

Hand 1:
CO is semi-loose, passive

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.25. CO posts a blind of $0.35.
UTG calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 (poster) calls, CO (poster) calls, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (11.80 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, CO raises, Button folds, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (9.90 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

River: (9.90 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, UTG folds, Hero calls, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 11.90 BB

Hand 2:
MP2 is tight passive
MP3 is semi-loose passive

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, MP2 folds, MP3 caps, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, CO calls, Hero raises, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (9.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

River: (15.70 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO Bets , Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 15.70 BB

SoftcoreRevolt · #2 10-24-2005, 11:36 PM

You gots to raise the river on hand two. Hand 1 seems a little too passive, I'd 3 bet the flop with villain possibly on the flush draw.

jaxUp · #3 10-24-2005, 11:38 PM

I 3bet the flop in hand 1. We'll see a 9 or a FD here often. Hand 2 I think I like. Not sure about flop c/r, but I think it has some merit. What were your reasons for doing it?

jaxUp · #4 10-24-2005, 11:42 PM

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You gots to raise the river on hand two.

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I'd prefer to go for overcall with a paired board and 4 flush here.

2+2 Junkie · #5 10-24-2005, 11:45 PM

These are my reasons for check raising flop on Hand 1 (let me know if any or all are flawed reasons)
1. I figured I had the best hand
2. I wanted anybody with a flush draw to pay for it
3. I wanted hands like AJ or QJ out if they didn't have a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], thinking I flopped a flush (basically trying to lower the chance of someone getting 2 pair on me)

2+2 Junkie · #6 10-24-2005, 11:47 PM

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You gots to raise the river on hand two.

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I'd prefer to go for overcall with a paired board and 4 flush here.

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With the 4 bet pre-flop, is anyone concerned about the Ace of diamonds here?

#7 10-24-2005, 11:51 PM

Hand 1 - 3 bet the flop

Hand 2 - I would just lead the flop. I bet/call the river

#8 10-24-2005, 11:54 PM

Hand1:
I'm Reraising the flop for value. You've got a couple people trapped.
I'd lead the Turn and call reraise then check/call river

Hand2:
I'm trying to think do I 3bet Turn and I'm leaning to just calling. Thats a lot of aggression for a board that screams "I've got a flush" or I've got 3 Jacks.

AA would play this hand that way especially with Ad..I'd call the River.

TomBrooks · #9 10-25-2005, 12:16 AM

Hand 1: Three bet the flop, bet the turn, fold the river.

Hand 2 looks OK.

#10 10-25-2005, 12:18 AM

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Hand 1: Three bet the flop, bet the turn, fold the river.

Hand 2 looks OK.

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