Do you like this play from this position?

#1 10-07-2005, 04:33 PM

Villain is a major donkey that chases a lot. I pick up QQ here. Should this be a call. A re-raise is kind of pointless without putting him all in.

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PokerStars Game #2748128821: Tournament #13241857, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/10/07 - 16:30:24 (ET)
Table '13241857 77' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Rixlo (1825 in chips)
Seat 2: kinghighaz (1585 in chips)
Seat 3: scottydo69 (1140 in chips)
Seat 4: FGators26 (1955 in chips)
Seat 5: Stick007 (3850 in chips)
Seat 6: BraveBen (1290 in chips)
Seat 7: wally1012 (2620 in chips)
Seat 8: migaloch (1570 in chips)
Seat 9: Miln2k5 (1090 in chips)
Miln2k5: posts small blind 15
Rixlo: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FGators26 [Qd Qc]
kinghighaz: calls 30
scottydo69: raises 120 to 150
FGators26: raises 1805 to 1955 and is all-in
Stick007: folds
BraveBen: folds
wally1012: folds
migaloch: folds
Miln2k5: folds
Rixlo: folds
kinghighaz: folds
scottydo69: calls 990 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [6d 7d As]
*** TURN *** [6d 7d As] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [6d 7d As Kh] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
scottydo69: shows [Ad Jc] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
FGators26: shows [Qd Qc] (a pair of Queens)
scottydo69 collected 2355 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2355 | Rake 0
Board [6d 7d As Kh Jd]
Seat 1: Rixlo (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: kinghighaz folded before Flop
Seat 3: scottydo69 showed [Ad Jc] and won (2355) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 4: FGators26 showed [Qd Qc] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 5: Stick007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: BraveBen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: wally1012 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: migaloch (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Miln2k5 (small blind) folded before Flop

#2 10-07-2005, 04:51 PM

How often has Villain raised PF, and has he shown any down?

If he'd been limping regularly, a by-the-books raise would send up warning signals, and I'd just call, hoping to re-evaluate on the flop. You also have position in your corner.

#3 10-07-2005, 05:00 PM

Villain has been raising more than usual and called a pretty large all in with A2 suited.

I know I can't flat call here, right? Is the all in too much? I do have the third best starting hand in poker.

I used to be weak-tight yesterday, I'm trying to be more aggresive in these things now. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

illegit · #4 10-07-2005, 05:05 PM

Re-raise to 450-500. Call if he pushes. If he just calls and the flop brings an Ace beware. With an M of 40+ and a bunch of live players behind you a push is overdoing it.

I think I'd give this same advice even without knowing the results, but I can't be sure. So it's your own fault for giving me results when i don't want them.

#5 10-07-2005, 05:10 PM

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Re-raise to 450-500. Call if he pushes. If he just calls and the flop brings an Ace beware. With an M of 40+ and a bunch of live players behind you a push is overdoing it.

I think I'd give this same advice even without knowing the results, but I can't be sure. So it's your own fault for giving me results when i don't want them.

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Well I gave the results in order to ask if I should have just re-raised or push. I thought a push would get a call from him, which I wanted, knowing I had to be a large favorite.

On the other hand a 500 re-raise could get me off the flop if an ace comes.

#6 10-07-2005, 05:12 PM

Looking at your stack, you have 65xBB, and it's very early on. You've also got information that Villain is overly LAG, but likes aces (from the A2 hand).

Pretending I don't know the outcome, I still prefer the flat call, and then depending on the flop, re-raise him. I think that given his history, he'll call any PF re-raise you try, and you end up in the same position.

I'm admittedly a little too tight for my own good, but a limp-raise PF this early indicates at least an Ax, with a 15% chance he's got 88+.

I'm always more confident with a second-best hand after a flop this early.

#7 10-07-2005, 05:12 PM

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On the other hand a 500 re-raise could get me off the flop if an ace comes.

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Also you probably get his stack if the flop comes jack high.

illegit · #8 10-07-2005, 05:23 PM

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I think that given his history, he'll call any PF re-raise you try, and you end up in the same position.

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Only with more money in the pot as a likely dominating favorite. The re-raise is not intended to get him out; we want his money in there. In addition the re-raise is intended to isolate this donk and keep others out of the pot. Flat calling here is bad.

carsrcoffins · #9 10-07-2005, 06:03 PM

With your stack size there no reason to push all in with QQ even if you know he will call with raggy hands. Especially when you know he likes to play Ace any. Reraise to put more money in the pot with a hand that your sure you a favorite. When/if the flop comes with an Ace then your not/shouldn't lose your whole stack. I really think that a lot of people on this board are affraid to play flops.

Kevin West · #10 10-07-2005, 06:50 PM

If you know he will call with much worse hands, why give him a chance to get away from a bad flop for him when you can get all his chips a much bigger percengage of the time? Also, if he has ANY aggressiveness in him, I just love calling his 88-JJ and folding to a bet on the A high flop. If he will call with many worse hands, I like your all-in.