5/10 turn minraise

[AdamBragar]

I'm definetely doing the math really quickly here, but if if all his outs are clean and hero is behind to a made flush, the hero needs 4:1 on his money and is actually only getting like 3.5:1 on his money. Probably very little implied odds, because only a 6 will help him get paid off.

[jrforman]

No one puts villain on 44 for a made full house?...Highly likely he smooth calls the flop with a full house as well as flush draw. Moreover, on a paired board given stack sizes isn't it more likely that villain will raise more with a flush to not allow someone to draw to a full boat? Hate to think worst case scenario but I think it needs to be considered since the turn min-raise is pretty suspicious.

[Big_Jim]

555:125 = 4.4:1

[amoeba]

whats wrong with check calling the turn?

I go into shutdown mode when turn card completes flush.

From villain's perspective his mini-raise tells us two possible things: either he has the flush, is representing one or can beat a flush. He could even have a straight. You're not even beating a 5; 53 or 52 is the only five you're beating.

I check/crying call the river.

Turn bet was far too much. Now it's far harder to get away and you are pot committed. Generally not good to get yourself into that situation.

[Big_Jim]

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Turn bet was far too much.

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Huh? If he's going to bet... I think this is about the minimum.

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Now it's far harder to get away

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Perhaps a bit harder, yes.

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and you are pot committed.

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Not even close

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Generally not good to get yourself into that situation.

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True... but that situation is not present here.

[AdamBragar]

Yup, I can't do math. Call the turn, fold unimproved on the river. I would have folded the turn only because I can't count higher than 3.

[amoeba]

I guess I don't understand what the turn bet accomplishes.

are you trying to block the turn from a bluff?

are you trying to get value from overpair and charge him for 4th club?

if you are just betting turn for info then his raise gave you all the info you need. just fold the turn.

This, I bet the turn, call the minraise, thus bloating the pot crap sucks.

just check the turn.

[mgsimpleton]

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I guess I don't understand what the turn bet accomplishes.

are you trying to get value from overpair and charge him for 4th club?


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looks like you know exactly what betting the turn accomplishes.

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just check the turn.

[/ QUOTE ] noooo... you can't just assume he has clubs... and once the min raise comes he is pot committed to call for a boat as long as he doesn't talk himself into a bad river call...

[queenhigh]

thanks for all the replies. i didn't want to rereaise the turn and have him blow me off my boat draw if he pushed with a flush. also, my image was probably on the LAG side, so i figured he might just be trying to get a cheap showdown with AA or KK after trying to trap the donk who opened PF. i was prepared to call about two-thirds the pot depending on the river.

didn't matter though, cause he checked behind on the river and mucked his 66.