AKs 2/4 - Page 2

Ed Miller · #11 09-28-2003, 05:36 PM

Wouldn't this be a classic opportunity to induce a bluff?

This is only a good opportunity to induce a bluff if, a) your opponent is a strong enough player to recognize this as a bluffing opportunity, or b) your opponent bluffs constantly.

Given my (limited) experience with Party 2-4, I wouldn't count on my opponent to be conscious enough to try to induce him to bluff.

Ed Miller · #12 09-28-2003, 05:38 PM

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...mp;sb=5&o=

ThingDo · #13 09-28-2003, 05:44 PM

ahh, that thread helps a lot MK, I read that a while back and dismissed it because I wasn't clear on what was going on. Now I know, and understand. Thanks

GuyOnTilt · #14 09-28-2003, 07:42 PM

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...checking and calling is almost certainly -EV here. Betting may be -EV, but may be less -EV...

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So if both these options are -EV, why should anybody do either?

Justaloser · #15 09-28-2003, 07:45 PM

So if I understand this correctly, if you have no fear of a raise, you should always bet the river if first to act (or checked to you)?

Ed Miller · #16 09-28-2003, 08:20 PM

So if both these options are -EV, why should anybody do either?

Ummmm... what other options do you have?

GuyOnTilt · #17 09-28-2003, 08:28 PM

Well, if you say that checking and calling is -EV and betting is -EV, then your best option would be to check and fold, which would be neutral EV. I'm not saying I support folding in this specific hand, but according to your statement about the EV of the two options mentioned, it would seem you do.

Ed Miller · #18 09-28-2003, 10:16 PM

No... you are misunderstanding. It makes me think that you don't understand the decision process here.

When I say -EV, I'm talking only about the bets going in on the river. It has nothing to do with what's in the pot.

It is assumed that you aren't going to check-fold top two on the river.

GuyOnTilt · #19 09-28-2003, 10:28 PM

I understand now. I thought you were saying that checking and calling and betting was -EV in general. My mistake. BTW, I think it's better to bet out here.

slider77 · #20 09-29-2003, 02:08 AM

That "infininte pot" example makes all your bets relatively free, so I don't think it's a good analogy. I would bet every time in that case.

Plus, there was no re-raising there. Here, the reason you would check would be to prevent being raised by a big bet amount that is not "free".