Not another crybaby...

[gomberg]

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PS... had a club or additional broadway card come on the river... I was completely ready to fold... the three lookded super safe for me.

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This makes your turn play atrocious if you were going to fold for less than a pot-sized bet.

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Bet way too small on the turn. $120 is nothing relative to the pot and letting everyone draw out.

Oops. Just noticed that everyone else had already said the sme exact thing.

[mgsimpleton]

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This makes your turn play atrocious if you were going to fold for less than a pot-sized bet.

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This isn't what makes his turn bet atrocious but it certainly compounds the atrocity.

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Yes, you're right the limp reraise says strength, so he could be putting you a high pocket pair. When someone does this when I'm in the game, I'll call (depending on the odds/bet) just waiting to crack aces when I hit two pair or better.

I love it when people make it obvious that they have a strong hand.

[vapourtrail]

hi here is how i would play it differently:

i would bet more preflop.
i would bet more on the flop.
i would bet more on the turn.

this is how you beat calling stations.

[gomberg]

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This makes your turn play atrocious if you were going to fold for less than a pot-sized bet.



This isn't what makes his turn bet atrocious but it certainly compounds the atrocity.

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nh - very true.

[Huskiez]

First off, the calling station might just be gambling and having fun. I don't know why it's so hard to understand, but some people like to gamble and don't think about winning money all the time. Do us a favor and realize this. And don't bitch when people start playing bad hands (like 4 6 OFFSUITE) and crack your aces. This is how you make money.

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PS... had a club or additional broadway card come on the river... I was completely ready to fold... the three lookded super safe for me.

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So it appears that Villain, according to this logic, had 4 8's, 4 3's, 4 Q's, 4 J's, 2 A's (?), and 7 other clubs, for a total of 25 outs. Definitely worth a call.

Even if he thinks that just clubs are outs, he has 15 outs, which still deserves a call on the turn.

So really, Villain is justified in his postflop play because of your underbets. However, I doubt he was thinking this because most people who play 64o for a limp reraise are just having fun.

[cero_z]

Sup Biatch,

You misplayed this hand on every street. You also didn't give stack sizes for everyone, most importantly for yourself.

Pre-flop, the limp-reraise was good, but you should've raised it more (I would've made it about 130). There are 2 kinds of errors you can make in this spot: betting too much given the blinds and pot size, so you don't win a big enough pot, and betting too little given the stack sizes, so you announce your hand and give players an opportunity to correctly draw against you. You made error #2, though you lucked out in that your opponents took the idea of drawing out on you too far pre-flop.

On the flop, you didn't bet enough. With calling stations and something like 280 in the pot, you should've bet about 200. 140 makes it harder to tell what they're playing, if they choose to call or raise. Again, though, it depends on the stack sizes; the bigger the stacks here, the worse this mistake is.

On the turn, you should've bet at least the size of the pot. 2 players have called your flop bet, so you should expect one of them to have a flush draw. Also, they've each put in 200 or so, so they're likely to call a much bigger bet than 140. 140 is not nearly enough--if you turned a set of K's faceup after that bet, an open-end straight draw or a flush draw would be right to call. You're committed, and there's over 600 in the pot, so you should bet the whole 310 that the guy has.

The check on the river is also terrible against a calling station with only 170 left. He's a calling station; he's not more likely to bluff the river than call off his last chips. As you said, the 3 looked safe, and you were glad to call, so you should've bet it.

[creedofhubris]

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Sup Biatch,

You misplayed this hand on every street. You also didn't give stack sizes for everyone, most importantly for yourself.

Pre-flop, the limp-reraise was good, but you should've raised it more (I would've made it about 130). There are 2 kinds of errors you can make in this spot: betting too much given the blinds and pot size, so you don't win a big enough pot, and betting too little given the stack sizes, so you announce your hand and give players an opportunity to correctly draw against you. You made error #2, though you lucked out in that your opponents took the idea of drawing out on you too far pre-flop.

On the flop, you didn't bet enough. With calling stations and something like 280 in the pot, you should've bet about 200. 140 makes it harder to tell what they're playing, if they choose to call or raise. Again, though, it depends on the stack sizes; the bigger the stacks here, the worse this mistake is.

On the turn, you should've bet at least the size of the pot. 2 players have called your flop bet, so you should expect one of them to have a flush draw. Also, they've each put in 200 or so, so they're likely to call a much bigger bet than 140. 140 is not nearly enough--if you turned a set of K's faceup after that bet, an open-end straight draw or a flush draw would be right to call. You're committed, and there's over 600 in the pot, so you should bet the whole 310 that the guy has.

The check on the river is also terrible against a calling station with only 170 left. He's a calling station; he's not more likely to bluff the river than call off his last chips. As you said, the 3 looked safe, and you were glad to call, so you should've bet it.

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Good post. I'm however, going to warn you about your location: doodleky's an ex-cop, watch out!

[Imperial]

Preflop: good
Folp: bet 250
Turn: move in.