Overcards hand from the archive

[Justin A]

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This used to be an auto-raise for me until I realized it was an autowaste. I'm just calling here.

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Why? It seems like a classic free card play. Is there something about the particulars of this hand that you don't like (reads, board texture)? Or is it that you think the free card play is bad in itself?

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I'm not sure how things have been in the 3/6 game, but at 5/10 I'm not raising this most of the time. It seems like they've gotten pretty good at bet-3betting the PFR or donk betting the turn and foiling my free card play. Also, remember it's not like you're getting a free river out of it, you're paying 1 small bet less. If you get 3bet you're paying a full big bet more, and one small bet more if you're donk bet. I just don't think your equity is quite strong enough here to justify a free card play. It's also important to note that sometimes when you just call it may be checked to you on the turn if something like a queen or jack hits.

[belloc]

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This used to be an auto-raise for me until I realized it was an autowaste. I'm just calling here.

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Why? It seems like a classic free card play. Is there something about the particulars of this hand that you don't like (reads, board texture)? Or is it that you think the free card play is bad in itself?

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I'm not sure how things have been in the 3/6 game, but at 5/10 I'm not raising this most of the time. It seems like they've gotten pretty good at bet-3betting the PFR or donk betting the turn and foiling my free card play. Also, remember it's not like you're getting a free river out of it, you're paying 1 small bet less. If you get 3bet you're paying a full big bet more, and one small bet more if you're donk bet. I just don't think your equity is quite strong enough here to justify a free card play. It's also important to note that sometimes when you just call it may be checked to you on the turn if something like a queen or jack hits.

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Yes, this was just the sort of thing I was looking for. I've just started to make forays into 5/10 after having played almost exclusively 2/4 and 3/6 for the last while, and the flop aggression is the single most noticeable difference at this level.

At my normal super loose/passive B&M 4/8 game, this is an easy raise, and nobody catches on that it's for a free card, or if they do, they don't take a stand against it.

[Jake (The Snake)]

Hero raised. Ed Miller responded in the thread saying he thought the raise "sucked".

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I'll add my thoughts later.

[Six_of_One]

I would call most of the time. Getting 3-bet would really suck, and I don't think the possibility of a free card is enough incentive to risk it. If there wasn't a caller in between, a raise would be more likely.

[Jake (The Snake)]

I agree with everything Jason A has said so far. You only save 1SB if the free card play works, but lose more than that if it does not. Thus, you have to be very sure you won't get played back at.

Also, I think an extremely important consideration is the fact that you have a much higher than usual chance of being reverse dominated on this board. People love those Ax hands. In the archived thread, a couple people made the observation that they would rather raise here with KQ than AK.