I know that this is +$EV but I am trying to convince my friend

[Grivan]

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Seems like a rerasie rather than a push is in order. (I'm the friend by the way)

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My question is after you reraise, assuming you do any decent amount, and the guy comes over the top all in what are you going to do? From your tone it seems you would recomend a fold because you don't want to risk your tournament on KK.

For your idea to not take chances to work it seems to me that pushing is the best way to not have to see a flop. So, it surprises me that you don't like this approach.

[ElTiburon]

Id push if they reraise, but if you go all in, Weaker hands AJs, JJ, 1010 maybe even QQ fold, so ur up against hands that can either Crush you AA, or hands ur only 1/3 against, where then ur risking ur whole tourney to double up early, and doubling up early is a tactic of the fish. I am in favor of the traping with the reraise.

[Grivan]

Your estimation of what people will call with is a quite a bit to high. Look at the hand that is posted as an example.

[Mr_J]

"and doubling up early is a tactic of the fish"

Very wrong. Any good player will take a shot at doubling up when they have a solid advantage. There are quite a few hands that will call a preflop push. You are only an underdog vs one, and the rest have you as a big fave.

[beeyjay]

If the initial raiser was first in the pot, I probbaly just call sometimes. I think a small, Maybe even minreraise accomplishes the same thing for the most part of shutting out the other players but garanteeing the raiser comes with you. I think a fair amount of the time he even pushes you in preflop which is fine by me.

The guy saying he doesn't want to get all his chips in with KK here is baffling me.

[ilya]

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Id push if they reraise, but if you go all in, Weaker hands AJs, JJ, 1010 maybe even QQ fold, so ur up against hands that can either Crush you AA, or hands ur only 1/3 against, where then ur risking ur whole tourney to double up early, and doubling up early is a tactic of the fish. I am in favor of the traping with the reraise.

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Lower-limit SnG players are nowhere near this tight. You will routinely be called by a range like AK-AQ, AA-55.
I am happy to risk my tourney early to double up on a 50/50 with some overlay.

[RobGW]

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doubling up early is a tactic of the fish

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lmfao. This makes no sense.

Risking busting out early on a coinflip is debateable. Risking it all when you are very likely a 4:1 favorite is not. BTW, your estimation of your opponents calling standards are way off. I get calls from lower PP all the time. I am not saying that I go all in with KK all the time but it certainly is not a bad play.

[Voltron87]

maybe your friend means your line was not optimal, im trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

[sahala]

To OP-contender: Are you sure you aren't just justifying your viewpoint based on the result of the push and villain's call? oblowski512 made a mistake with that call, even if he was big-stack.

[chopchoi]

You're both right. Pushing here is certainly +EV, but there is a difference between doing something that is +EV, and maximizing your EV. I think that even at $10+1, 75% of the players fold AQ here. While if you re-raised to about 225 more, you will get a call almost every time. Now you have to worry about your opponent flopping an ace and beating you, but that only happens about 1 time in six. Also, there is a chance your opponent will either flop a Q and come out swinging, or will put you on a big ace, and try to move you off of it on a rag flop.

While the push is +EV, I think that in the long run, you win even more chips with a smaller raise.