I know that this is +$EV but I am trying to convince my friend

[KyleH186]

He thinks that pushing all in with KK here is +EV chips, but not +$EV. I know that this is incorrect, but he won't believe me, so if soemone can either prove or just confirm it I would appreicate it.




#Game No : 2164290491
***** Hand History for Game 2164290491 *****
NL Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:12860724 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Monday, June 06, 12:24:36 EDT 2005
Table Table 13815 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 5: ppcharmed ( $865 )
Seat 6: Grovv ( $800 )
Seat 7: salvationc3 ( $1300 )
Seat 9: oblowski512 ( $1695 )
Seat 4: vcharch1111 ( $785 )
Seat 3: KyleH681186 ( $785 )
Seat 2: JonahdaG ( $615 )
Seat 10: askeew ( $775 )
Seat 8: mrbibbs33 ( $380 )
Trny:12860724 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to KyleH681186 [ Kc Kd ]
ppcharmed calls [15].
Grovv folds.
>You have options at Table 13865 Table!.
salvationc3 raises [30].
mrbibbs33 folds.
>You have options at Table 13981 Table!.
>You have options at Table 13974 Table!.
oblowski512 raises [125].
askeew folds.
JonahdaG folds.
KyleH681186 is all-In [775]
vcharch1111 folds.
ppcharmed folds.
salvationc3 folds.
oblowski512 calls [660].
>You have options at Table 13981 Table!.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, 2s, 3c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
oblowski512 shows [ As, Qd ] two pairs, aces and threes.
KyleH681186 shows [ Kc, Kd ] two pairs, kings and threes.
oblowski512 wins 1630 chips from the main pot with two pairs, aces and threes.
KyleH681186 finished in ninth place.
KyleH681186 has left the table.
The Small Blind left the table. The Dealer button remains in place.
Game #2164292507 starts.

[Voltron87]

how would it not be +$EV?

[freemoney]

if you dont realize this is impossible to prove then you are an idiot.

[allintuit]

Seriously dude, you have larger problems in your game than wondering whether KK is +$EV.

[ElTiburon]

My opinion is as follows. If you win the hand, you double up, and from there your in good position but not guaranteed to money in the tournament. In this case, you had a 72% to 28%, meaning nearly 1/3 of the time, your out of the tournament. Winning 1000 chips one third of th time vrs losing 22 dollars? Seems like a rerasie rather than a push is in order. (I'm the friend by the way)

[kyro]

[ QUOTE ]
My opinion is as follows. If you win the hand, you double up, and from there your in good position but not guaranteed to money in the tournament. In this case, you had a 72% to 28%, meaning nearly 1/3 of the time, your out of the tournament. Winning 1000 chips one third of th time vrs losing 22 dollars? Seems like a rerasie rather than a push is in order. (I'm the friend by the way)

[/ QUOTE ]

You're wrong by the way.

[RobGW]

Run this through the ICM and you'll find out that you are wrong.

[Newt_Buggs]

anyone else reraise to 300-400 to encourage a call or a reraise?

[ElTiburon]

And how pray tell does one come across and ICM?

[wuwei]

[ QUOTE ]
And how pray tell does one come across and ICM?

[/ QUOTE ]

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