88, possibly being isolated, but he keeps jamming -- IHC - Page 3

Sifmole · #21 06-02-2005, 03:39 PM

I think a key mistake in your approach to this hand can be seen right here, before play even starts:

> I'm pretty new to this table, but SB seems pretty fishy
> and MP3 seems pretty Laggy.

How "new" is "pretty new"? I would think it mighty difficult to get a real read on any decent player with very few hands. What number... I don't feel comfortable even begginning ( except in exceptional cases ) to make a read until I have at least 50 hands of information; and even then I view my read as very thin.

Note: I only post this because I read this post and then another post where a guy had an extreme read in 18 hands (18!). Does anybody else think this is much too quick?

Frequitude · #22 06-02-2005, 03:45 PM

Yeah, they were definitely weak reads based on a couple plays I had seen. They were a little fresher in my mind during the hand than when I wrote the post, but you're right.

As for 18 hands, I don't think you can make a rock solid read. But if you pay attention I think you could pick up enough info to slightly influence your decisions in small pots.

I know it's not *enough*, but I get more comfortable with stats after 50 hands.

thatguy79 · #23 06-02-2005, 03:50 PM

Am I the only one that bets this flop and folds to a raise with a call? If the flop isn't raised, it seems like that would make future streets a little easier to play, too.

crunchy1 · #24 06-02-2005, 03:51 PM

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Note: I only post this because I read this post and then another post where a guy had an extreme read in 18 hands (18!). Does anybody else think this is much too quick?

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You're correct - 18 hands is nothing. 30-50 you can start to get an idea of how the guy is playing (at least in that session). Looking at 100+ (probably higher) for anything considered solid.

Frequitude · #25 06-02-2005, 03:54 PM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (15.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB

SB has 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (one pair, threes).
Hero has 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, eights and threes).
MP3 has J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (one pair, threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 18.50 BB.

Wow, I couldn't believe it. I was ready to scold myself for calling down like a fish and then the pot started sliding my way.

It looks like I messed up pretty bad though (in theory), thanks for the constructive criticism. Learning a lesson AND winning the pot work for me. I just have to make sure I learn the lesson, and don't think "well, I was good that one time".

LouDogg33 · #26 06-02-2005, 04:01 PM

I don't even know what to say about that. That is one of the worst played hands I have ever seen. Your play was questionable, but those other two donks... wtf were they still doing in that pot? I'd love to have Screen Names for those two guys. I hope you added them to your buddy list.

Frequitude · #27 06-02-2005, 04:25 PM

Yeah, I couldn't believe that SB overcalled with K high, not to mention cc'd 2 bets PF. He's already on the buddy list. I want to look over some of MP3's hands before he makes it on though.

I wonder what would have happened if I bet the river...

Still though, bad call down. But wow.