88, possibly being isolated, but he keeps jamming -- IHC

[Frequitude]

I hope this is even remotely good for IHC. I felt pretty spewish throughout and wanted to post this hand after. Here's a good opportunity.

I'm pretty new to this table, but SB seems pretty fishy and MP3 seems pretty Laggy.



Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

<font color="blue">Should I have bet the flop? My thinking was to check/call and bet a safe turn card.</font>


Turn: (6.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

<font color="blue">Great turn card. SB could be making a desperate bluff, I like my raise. But then I get 3bet...</font>


River: (15.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB

<font color="blue">Another safe card so I check/called for the sake of the pot.</font>



What do you think? Too laggy? Good? "I don't know when to let go"?

[brettbrettr]

I think you should fold to the turn 3-bet. I like the raise, but I think you really need to fold there. Overcalling the river seems bad, too.

[Yads]

Yeah you can fold the turn. Failing that fold the river, you can't overcall in this spot.

[toss]

I'm mucking on the turn, I don't think he's following up his bluff iwht a 3-bet here.

[Bill Lumberg]

If you just sat at the table, why raise from MP with 88? I would limp.

[Bill Lumberg]

Definitely would have let this one go earlier. Whenever you have multiple opponents being aggressive, the chances that you have both of them beat with a marginal hand like yours is unlikely.

The thought of the combination of the small blind bluffing and you still having the other player beat is very unlikely. Let go on the turn.

[nduiker1977]

I don't really like the raise at the turn when MP3 showed all the strength preflop. After being 3-bet at the turn you have to believe you are beaten by MP3 (over pair or AQs). I think the sound play would be fold at the turn.

[chief444]

I think the turn raise itself is somewhat questionable. If SB's bluffing he's picking an odd spot to do so.

I think after MP3 3-bets the turn putting in any more money is definitely spewing.

[crunchy1]

[ QUOTE ]
If you just sat at the table, why raise from MP with 88? I would limp.

[/ QUOTE ]
I would open-limp in MP with a medium pocket pair exactly 0% of the time. And it's irrelevant how long you've been sitting at the table.

Hero's PF play is standard.

[crunchy1]

Fishy = Loose/Passive.

When a player like that wakes up on the turn into two PF raisers and you're stuck in the middle - time to dump. I agree it does look pretty wierd when SB donks you on the turn - but you need to consider that MP is showing no signs of letting up and your 88 can't really stand either a raise or (even less so) a 3-bet here.