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Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
Not all players charge the proper amounts, after all there are many bad players out there.
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Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
hmm, you think villian calls an allin with AK?
another point is her's flush is relatively well disguised, he has a lot better implied odds than if he could have a flush draw on the flop. I think an allin is ok and definitely my default against most players in this spot, but if it allows villian to fold hands we beat then I think it's probably a call. |
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Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
in my opinion, a stop and go on the river is the best play.
if you figure him for AK, etc, and call the turn, barring any counterfeitage of your two pair, he will figure you for a draw, and make a "big call" on the river when you move in when you "miss." i think you get more money in this way when he has this hand, then if you raise the turn. raising the turn signifies too much strength, because you're saying you can beat the donk who moved in by moving in yourself. but stop and going the river indicates less strength, and you may be able to get him to pay you off. if your flush card does come on the river, you want to bet as well, cause there is a good chance button just wants to see a showdown if that scare card comes. so my vote is a stop and go, provided no nine comes to crap on your parade. check call maybe a K. |
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Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
He would have to be an idiot, or think that you are an idiot, if he believes that you would bluff into a dry side pot on the river with a totally busted hand.
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Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
I put this as an easy call.
Its effectively a way ahead way behind situation on the turn, because if he has a strong ace hes not likely to call here. He isnt folding any winning hand. Finally, hero isnt scared of any river, we've no reason to isolate. So call and push any river for his last 600. |
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Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
if he wont call on the turn why would he call on the river. so you may be giving him five or six outs a free card to win the whole pot and an extra 600. bad play to just call here. this isnt the time to get tricky trying to put thoughts into someones head that is simple minded.
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Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
I think it completely comes down to your read of this villain and what you know about him.....he clearly either has a set or a big ace.....is he the type of guy to make a weak flop bet into three players with a missed AK and then raise with it after being bet into big on the turn?.....I've been in this exact situation before (two-pair and flush draw on the turn) and sometimes it was an easy push, and sometimes I called and then check/folded the river and was shown a set.....so, is this guy an idiot or is he the type who pretty much can only have a set here?.....
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Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
he minraised hero on a drawing board on the turn. i'd say that's pretty big indication of idiocy.
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RESULTS
I raised all-in. He called with top set of aces. All-in moron had a flush draw, further reducing my outs. River was no help.
I hadn't been playing with this guy long enough to realize exactly how tight-weak he was. (aka $25 preflop from the button is a real raise, $35 into a $100 pot is a real bet, a min-raise is immense strength.) Oh well. RaptRob, no points for you for correctly spotting his hand, since I think you were sitting at the table ;-) |
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Re: RESULTS
Oh well, if I was I don't remember. Better luck next time though.
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