I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
 

Good 5/10 game. I ($1600) limp with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], weak-tight button ($1000) raises to $25, total of four players.

Flop:

2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Checked to button, who bets $35. Everyone calls. I call.

Turn:

A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Checked to me. I bet $150. Button min-raises to $300. Moron goes all-in for $350. Last player folds. I essentially close the turn action.

Button will have $600 behind after calling the short raise.

My move?

Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
 

Easy push.

Garland

Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
 

I disagree. If Villain knows that the all-in guy is a moron also, he will drop worse hands to your all-in and call with a set especially if he is weak-tight. However, if you just call he may put you on nut flush draw (not 2 pair and flush draw) and push or call with his AK. Pot will be big on river so he should call his last $600. If you get counterfitted, then it leaves a tough decision but I think calling is better than all-in.

Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
 

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If Villain knows that the all-in guy is a moron also, he will drop worse hands to your all-in and call with a set especially if he is weak-tight.

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The button has all the looks of AK that got there on the turn. Note the weak bet on the flop and finally comes to life on the turn with a flush and full house draw (most likely the best hand--if not the potential to be). Now's the time to get his action. Your equity in the hand is on the turn, not on the river when you could get counterfeited or a scare card comes to kill the action. $600 left for the button? Make him put it in now. If he folds, fine.

Garland

Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
 

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then it leaves a tough decision

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That's why you push so you don't have to make that decision and so he can't get away if the flush comes. If the opponent raised pre-flop with a pocket pair and made a set on the flop or the turn w/AA then more power to him but you've got outs. It will often enough be the case where he has AK and made a standard continuation bet on the flop with same as the original raiser that those cases will make up for the times where you are in fact behind. Plus if he folds (and the min raise with a flush draw present indicates AK more than a set) then you also win the pots where he folds to your push but would have spiked a K on the river to beat you. I'd actually be more worried about the moron.

Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
 

Is the button crafty enough to have 3 5 there?

Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
 

I think AA is a legit threat here. The problem is, if he doesn't have it, I'd be virtually positive your hand is good. The thing is, though, even if he does have it you're extremely live in this situation.

If you just call, I think - being that button is weak tight - you lose all equity if a spade comes off on the river. He's ONLY going to call an all in bet by you if you flush on the river if he's got AA. But he'll likely call an all in on the turn with quite a bit more than that.

You could always consider checking and checking on the river to see if he'll bet and call no matter what hits, but I personally think the fact that your opponent's weak tight means this will rarely get you much if anything more into the pot unless you're not best.

I personally prefer to simply move in here. Pot's huge, and you want his money if you're best, but I think if he'll fold to your moving in on the turn that you won't get any more money out of him on the river if your hand is currently or turns out to be best.

- C -

Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
 

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Is the button crafty enough to have 3 5 there?

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No. Weak-tight.

Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
 

I really think he has a set here, 9's most likey or possibly AA. I would call to try to hit a spade and then value bet him.

Re: I have aces up AND a nut flush draw, and the guy minraises me...
 

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I really think he has a set here, 9's most likey or possibly AA. I would call to try to hit a spade and then value bet him.

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If he had a set he would be more concerned about charging a higher price for a flush draw to hit against two players, which actually suggests AK as him more likely holding. Also, generally, you value bet looser players not tighter ones capable of folding great hands that have gone sour on the river.