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#11
05-12-2005, 05:21 PM
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Re: This almost never means trips
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Raise, fold to a 3-bet, take the free showdown. [/ QUOTE ] 
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#12
05-12-2005, 05:23 PM
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Re: This almost never means trips
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Who said the BB was a fish? [/ QUOTE ] Odds. He said it was a good table, and the fish outnumber the sharks on party. Only a strong player realizes that queen is good for his pair of eights.
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#15
05-12-2005, 05:30 PM
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Re: This almost never means trips
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Nearly all fish think that Q is a bad card for their pair of 8's, not a good card. They would be more likely to check/fold this turn with 8's than they would be to bet it. (Neither is very likely). [/ QUOTE ] I don't agree - maybe certain semi-fish are scared by the Q, but I have had countless passive, ultra-awful fish lead into me with mid pair when the top card pairs... I'm pretty sure they don't think any deeper than "hey, I have two pair, and that's pretty good". It's pretty standard (for me) to see my pocket pairs between top and mid pair hold up in these situations.
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#16
05-12-2005, 05:35 PM
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Re: This almost never means trips
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I don't think we can continue here as a pair of 8s can beat you. True villain can be betting with a FD, but I don't think its profitable. [/ QUOTE ] A pair of 8's just isn't very likely given the action, IMO.
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#17
05-12-2005, 05:51 PM
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Re: This almost never means trips
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Raise, fold to a 3-bet, take the free showdown. [/ QUOTE ] Why is this correct? No matter what, you're putting in 2 BB, but with your line, you may VERY rarely be pushed off a winner by a bluff 3-bet (quite rare, but not impossible). And you're not getting to showdown all the time despite paying the same amount as call-call. I'm what you would call "not very good," and proper use of this line (raise-fold turn, check behind on an UI river) baffle me. So why is this correct?
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#19
05-12-2005, 05:54 PM
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Re: This almost never means trips
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Why is this correct? [/ QUOTE ] -If he's betting a draw, you're charging him the max. -He might fold an 8 -If he has a Q, he'll 3 bet and you can fold. -You're putting in 2BB to call it down anyway
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#20
05-12-2005, 06:19 PM
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Re: This almost never means trips
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[ QUOTE ] Why is this correct? [/ QUOTE ] -If he's betting a draw, you're charging him the max. -He might fold an 8 -If he has a Q, he'll 3 bet and you can fold. or he'll just call and check the river -You're putting in 2BB to call it down anyway [/ QUOTE ]
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