Do you think limp-reraising is good in any conceivable situation?

[tijean]

I can see the logic of l/rr with AA here. The rocks will call 2-cold with hands you dominate, but probably won't call 3-cold.

But doesn't it make more sense to raise with the hands in that second group in this situation, and find other hands to cover your AA limp with? That way the maniac can 3-bet and isolate himself against you. I assume you're not limp/reraising with 77. Or are you?

[Entity]

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I can see the logic of l/rr with AA here. The rocks will call 2-cold with hands you dominate, but probably won't call 3-cold.

But doesn't it make more sense to raise with the hands in that second group in this situation, and find other hands to cover your AA limp with? That way the maniac can 3-bet and isolate himself against you. I assume you're not limp/reraising with 77. Or are you?

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If you're talking about tough games, tough games aren't filled with rocks. They're filled with tough, aggressive players. In that context, limp-reraising with hands like 77 and AJs can be correct as it allows you to over-represent your hand and force incorrect folds later on. This is something that doesn't come up often in online play, but I've seen in live play before, and is worth understanding.

The other thing that's very important to realize is that by limping UTG with AA, you can "protect" yourself when limping with multiway hands like 77, AJs, etc.

It's a concept mentioned by Abdul in his preflop guide, and one that has been expanded on by Clarkmeister in posts around here.

Rob

[@bsolute_luck]

hahahah! and just to think the OP was simply "no" [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

i can't get this many replies to a hand posting [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[btspider]

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No.

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i disagree.

[A_C_Slater]

You can "protect" yourself when limping with 77, AJs, etc?


Do you really think someone that is intent on raising is not going to because they say to themselves "OMG he's limpiing UTG, I remember him doing that with Aces once before, I better fold my hand or just call now, because he probably has aces this time as well and he wants to trap me. Yeah, well good luck buddy, I'm to smart for that." [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[UncleSalty]

He means that tough players will interpret it as a slowplayed monster and will therefore make incorrect folds later in the hand.

[i]Edit: Actually, that's not what he's talking about...please ignore me. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[milesdyson]

The only good one word thread.

[Entity]

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You can "protect" yourself when limping with 77, AJs, etc?


Do you really think someone that is intent on raising is not going to because they say to themselves "OMG he's limpiing UTG, I remember him doing that with Aces once before, I better fold my hand or just call now, because he probably has aces this time as well and he wants to trap me. Yeah, well good luck buddy, I'm to smart for that." [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Have you ever read anything of game theory?

Sorry dude, but you're really showing your ignorance here. I don't mean to be rude but your posts on this subject are pretty ludicrous.

Really good, tight, aggressive player limps UTG. Folded to you in the CO. Do you raise KTo? KJo?

Rob

[Entity]

From Abdul's guide:

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When opening in tight games in any position or loose games in late position, your attention should be on getting heads up with a blind or outright stealing the blinds. Most hands are worth less than the blinds and so for most hands stealing the blinds is a coup; hence, raising is correct for most hands. AA is worth about four times the blinds if it gets some action, so stealing the blinds with it and your other very strong hands is a major disaster. Without other concerns, in a tight game you should raise with marginal hands, and limp (and usually reraise if raised) with your strongest hands. Balance your hands that you could have in various preflop scenarios, mixing strong with weak and weak with strong, so that you do not give too much information away by your actions, yet strive to still play most hands appropriately.

Here is one way to balance your opening strategy for a tight game where you are fairly likely to steal the blinds if you open-raise:

Tight Game Opening Strategy

Raise and call 2
QQ JJ TT KQs KTs JTs

Raise and call 1
77 QJs KJs AQ AJ

Limp-reraise / raise & call
AKs AQs AK

Limp & call 1
66 55 A9s A8s A7s KQ

Limp-reraise
AA KK 99 88 AJs ATs

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[@bsolute_luck]

ummm...who's Abdul? and what is this "guide"?