"I value call my nuts"

[AlmightyJay]

Wow, for some reason I thought hero flopped a straight...

[dedmoney]

definately raise the turn and the river.

[dedmoney]

I posted my response blind. after reading the responses, I can see why you just called the rvr, but still, never underestimate these donkeys. I just saw a capped flop, turn and river with 4 hearts and a K and J on the brd. The winner had A9, both black and took it down with a pair of nines. I think people just like the feeling of capping at these levels. Dumbasses.

[NickRegino]

Raise the turn most definately, having a low end straight you want to protect your hand with a check raise.

[Ginso]

i see what people are saying about raising the turn, but to be honest i probably would have done the same on the turn, but definately raised the river. i don't see the downside to it at that point.

If he's got you beat, so be it - but chances are he doesn't and you'll get paid off.

[Maurader1]

I love your table...

I'd raise to make sure I get that extra bet from UTG, SB/BB could have missed their flush draws, and probably you will at most get one overcaller, so raising will extract the same amount or more if there is some idiocy...

[ClaytonN]

Raise the turn, and let the action on 4th street dictate how you play the river.

[Dave G.]

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i see what people are saying about raising the turn, but to be honest i probably would have done the same on the turn, but definately raised the river. i don't see the downside to it at that point.

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I think this is the worst line here. Why call the turn and raise the river?

Are live flush draws going to call your turn raise? Yes. Are missed flush draws going to call your river raise? No.

Not raising this turn means you miss good value off people who are still drawing (not just flush draws, either). Once the river hits they're not drawing anymore and they aren't paying you off unless they've made some sort of hand (and not even that is guaranteed if you raise the river infront of them).

[mackthefork]

Qualifier: I'm weak

I fold preflop, fold on the flop I count a probable 3 outs, and a gagillion redraws in a smallish pot. I raise the turn and call the river, or obviously bet if its checked to me and the 3rd diamond hasn't come.

Regards Mack

[BatsShadow]

I totally agree with this. I think this river should be raised because your opponents were probably on flush draws or chasing with 2nd pair or something and will fold to one bet anyway. Raise in case one of them randomly caught two pair or decides to be stupid. At worst, you only get a call from the agressor, at best you get in a random raising war.

Caveat: I come from the much looser land of .5/1.