"I value call my nuts"

scotty34 · #1 05-08-2005, 07:43 PM

First hand at the table, no reads on anyone. (Yes I know its the second nuts)

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, Hero (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (10 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls...

Yay? or Nay?

Buckmulligan · #2 05-08-2005, 07:48 PM

I think I would have raised the turn... there are 4 8s and 9 diamonds that I don't want to see on the river. It's probably ok, IMO, to go for overcalls on that river.

iNsChris · #3 05-08-2005, 07:49 PM

Im a newbie but i...

Played it like you did,but then Raise river.

Pay the 78 hand if he has it, seems agressive for flopping the nuts straight...

bozlax · #4 05-08-2005, 07:50 PM

I think I agree with going for overcalls on the turn (except that if a 7 or 8 falls on the river I'm not feeling very happy), but by the time you get to the river anybody that's calling 1 will call 2, dontcha think? Raise.

ArturiusX · #5 05-08-2005, 07:54 PM

Raise the turn, raise the river. Make them pay to see the river.

Duerig · #6 05-08-2005, 08:07 PM

I like raising the turn. Your hand is really well hidden here. Also, anyone with 2 diamonds will probably pay you off to see the river.

milesdyson · #7 05-08-2005, 08:32 PM

People closing the action on that turn have proper odds (counting implied odds) to call with a gutshot. Don't allow them to draw properly, and you'll either get them to make a bad call or raise your equity (which is admittedly already pretty high).

Also, just because it would be correct for someone with two [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]s to coldcall a turn raise doesn't mean you shouldn't let them do it.

Raise the turn.

i wanna be me · #8 05-08-2005, 08:32 PM

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I like raising the turn. Your hand is really well hidden here. Also, anyone with 2 diamonds will probably pay you off to see the river.

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scotty34 · #9 05-08-2005, 08:32 PM

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Raise the turn, raise the river. Make them pay to see the river.

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Here is my thinking

On the turn, If I raised, I would face the field with 4:1. No one is getting the correct odds to call, and likely the only (incorrect) caller would be two diamonds, if they are out there. The original bettor may even fold. By going for the overcalls, I think the additional bets in the pot for the majority of the time when the diamond does not hit would make up for the few times I lose when the diamond does hit. If the diamond does hit, and someone made their flush, I was going to lose the hand anyways, but it would cost me more. Going for the overcalls was a gamble I think, but in this case it paid off on the turn.

On the river, I have the second nuts (I am not worried at all about losing the hand). If I raise here, who is going to call me? A rivered Q would probably be the only one. The original bettor may even fold. If I just call however, any 9 will probably call, any Q will call (and maybe even raise), 88 and 77 will call, a 6 may even call. By raising, I think the only money that goes into the pot is a rivered Q, and possibly the original bettor. I took a gamble and went for the overcalls again, (and prayed for a C/R Q).

Like it any better, or still no?

KaiShin · #10 05-08-2005, 08:45 PM

I don't mind going for overcalls on the river, but the turn simply must be raised. There's a lot of draws here that will happily pay 2BB to see the river.