Passive Hand 30/60

[goofball]

Looks like a good flop to bet to me too. Whether or not to bet the turn depends on if you pick up the draw, if they both call you, etc etc.

If you bet the flop, you can check behind J turns while betting AKQ turns. This all seems like a profitable situation.

I think you should make a turn bet as well. Because the flop got checked around you can be less afraid of a checkraise.

[I Play 2 Ski]

I think if you bet the flop here, your most likely to get checked to on the turn. Now with that J hitting someone may check to you hoping to c/r and you would really like to see that river for free.

[tpir90036]

I don't think there is anything wrong with checking a flop like this once in a while. I mean you can't bet *every* time you raise pre-flop.

Normally I would bet this flop and then check behind on the turn when I picked up the outs if I was afraid of being C/Red.

But, given the way you played it... with 2 opponents I would think they would not risk a free turn card and it seems like no one is very intereseted... so I would probably bet the turn here. If you get C/Red it's not all bad as you have plenty of outs.

And it turns out you would have got a great bluffing card on the river if someone is calling you down with middle or third pair. Not that you could have known the river opportunity was coming [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Nate tha' Great]

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Nate you always bet the flop in this situation? Sorry but a n00b question is coming up... you might just be describing a concept here (betting flop to set up profitable turn bet) that you don't always use, or don't use in this situation much...

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I probably just about always bet the flop against two opponents. The exceptions I guess are if my table image is extraordinarily poor, I'm up against opponents who will habitually check-raise with little-to-nothing, or perhaps if we're playing 3- or 4-handed and I've been overly relentless in previous hands, but 99/100 times I'm betting.

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If you are called in 2 spots I'm guessing you check behind turn all the time, if you are called in 1 spot, it seems like on the one hand most opponents would raise the flop with any draw or pair they are going with (needs defense on this board) so the turn bet would be profitable if they just call flop bet, but on the other hand these auto bets (auto bet flop, auto bet turn) just seem like hemoroging money. Rambling a bit here, but if you are called how often do you bet the turn?

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I'd also usually bet the turn if they both called. The lone exception might be if a jack came.

I think it's important to bet the turn because a lot of hands like QJ, KJ, A9, AJ will peel one card on the flop with a gutshot but will fold without improving on the turn.

[goofball]

There are much better spots to throw in the odd check through. QJx flop in a 4+way pot with one card matching your AKs comes to mind

[theBruiser500]

"I'd also usually bet the turn if they both called."

I'm assuming you'd bet the turn if only one person called too. You are pretty aggressive! Would have worked in thsi hand too, one guy had 55 and the other guy had something wacky. Interesting thread, thanks all.

[tpir90036]

I agree completely. I would bet this flop a great majority of the time... but in my opinion people auto-bet the flop way too frequently and this check is not some sort of horribly -EV play.

[steveyz]

I think you have to bet this flop. You can probably clear out hands like A5 and make better decisions on the turn & river. If called on the flop I'd check the turn and river probably.

[Vagos]

The key is if they have a nine after you bet the flop, most players will just lead out on the turn as they know you are likely to check behind.
So that being said, I don't mind betting flop and if you are called by one player, betting the turn as well.

-Andy

[flub]

There's tons of hands they can fold. AJ, KJ, Ax, low pairs, KQ, JQ, 34s, Kxs. They might not fold them every time, but they will sometimes.

-f