Passive Hand 30/60
 

It seems to me if there is ever a time to check the flop it is right here. On the turn I am afraid of a c/r. On the river I am afraid they will call me weak. Thoughts?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (3.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (3.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 3.50 BB

Re: Passive Hand 30/60
 

Yea I hate how you played this. Bet the flop. If you get called, you can consider checking the turn. I'd like to see where I'm at and you likely have 6 outs if played with.

Jeff

Re: Passive Hand 30/60
 

I know I don't need to win often for the flop bet to be profitable but what hands could they possibly have where they both fold? Also by checking I get a free card to hit somethign.

Re: Passive Hand 30/60
 

Betting may clear out a gutshot, etc. Something with something like Ace high may just fold. A bet can allow you to win the hand on the turn. A bet tells you where you're at in the hand so you're not in a guessing game. And yes, there is a slight chance you win on the flop.

Jeff

Re: Passive Hand 30/60
 

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I know I don't need to win often for the flop bet to be profitable but what hands could they possibly have where they both fold? Also by checking I get a free card to hit somethign.

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Hands like 55 and A4s won't like this board. Another KQ probably doesn't bother peeling. ;-)

Also, part of the function on the flop bet is to set up a profitable bet on the turn. For example, ATo probably will call the flop bet with its gutshot/overcard, but likely not the turn if you bet again and it doesn't improve.

Re: Passive Hand 30/60
 

I see where your coming from, but I still bet this flop and take the free river.

Re: Passive Hand 30/60
 

I would bet the turn. You have a straight draw plus overcards. If you are called, I would bet the river, as the draws missed and you can represent the jack.

Re: Passive Hand 30/60
 

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Betting may clear out a gutshot, etc. Something with something like Ace high may just fold. A bet can allow you to win the hand on the turn. A bet tells you where you're at in the hand so you're not in a guessing game. And yes, there is a slight chance you win on the flop.

Jeff

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You are throwing out a lot of standard reasons which don't really make sense here IMO. Gutshot: the only gutshot I can see that is folding is 64. "Bet can let you win on turn": Okay I bet the flop and now I need them to call not to raise, then what turn card could come that I am going to bet again on and win it?

"bet tells you where you're at so you're not in guessing games" what does that even mean in this context???

"slight chance win it on the flop": yeah if someone has A5 i can see them folding that, what other hands could they fold thouhg? I don't see many, they would both have to have ace rag and not pair up or hit a draw somewhere with that rag.

also there is the slight advantage to checking behing on flop that i pair up on turn where they would c/r me on flop.

Re: Passive Hand 30/60
 

I think always betting flops like these makes you predictable and way too easy to c/r. I don't mind a check here at all. You beat barely anything, can use a free card, and probably aren't folding the hands you do beat.

Re: Passive Hand 30/60
 

Nate you always bet the flop in this situation? Sorry but a n00b question is coming up... you might just be describing a concept here (betting flop to set up profitable turn bet) that you don't always use, or don't use in this situation much...

If you are called in 2 spots I'm guessing you check behind turn all the time, if you are called in 1 spot, it seems like on the one hand most opponents would raise the flop with any draw or pair they are going with (needs defense on this board) so the turn bet would be profitable if they just call flop bet, but on the other hand these auto bets (auto bet flop, auto bet turn) just seem like hemoroging money. Rambling a bit here, but if you are called how often do you bet the turn?