Party NL 6max 25 need help

[TheWorstPlayer]

Yeah. I meant to get into a long-winded discourse on EV and semi-bluffing examples, etc. (which is why I said 'in actual dollar terms') but then I ran out of steam. But yes, if you call a raise from AA in EP on the button with AKo and the flop comes Kxx. If he bets and you raise, you need to get him to fold a LOT more often than if you make the same move with an additional 9 flush outs. That may not have been the best example, but the point is correct: suitedness can lead you to more situations of positive EV even if you don't hit your flush, but I still think it is overrated, particularly out of position. I mean, saying that AJs is a clear raise UTG but AJo is a clear limp or a clear fold or whatever is just very weird, IMO.

[BobboFitos]

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I mean, saying that AJs is a clear raise UTG but AJo is a clear limp or a clear fold or whatever is just very weird, IMO.

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you're right (as usual)

but c'mon, AQs is just SO much better then AQo

[Kev7554]

I took your guys advice and tightened up a little pre flop by not raising with hands that are trouble or easily dominated OOP and even started mucking hands like KQ,KJ,AJ,AT in posistion. I dont have nearly enough hands to guage anything yet but i feel my game is improving played about 1000 hands and pokertracker now rates me as a TPA instead of a TAA like it had rated me but I could care less about a rateing as long as i am winning. The Bad beats at this level are still demoralizing but i will have to learn to deal with that. I am fairly good at multi table tournys so I have the bankroll to play at any level party offfers. Is it your guys opinion to stay away from the higher limits untill you can beat the $25?

[TheWorstPlayer]

Yes. And I would give you 2:1 on your rules not being set properly for the games you are playing.

[Kev7554]

any rules that you suggest for the 6max or do you use the default rules with pt? What I am Using so far is.

Autorate Rules Begin
Aggression:N
ARI_12 1 Calling Station
1 2 25.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than or equal to 25.00
15 4 1.20 Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.20
3 1 35.00 Went To Showdown % is greater than 35.00
ARI_2 0 Fishy
1 1 40.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than 40.00
2 3 7.00 Pre-flop Raise % is less than 7.00
15 4 1.20 Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.20
ARI_3 0 sLP P
15 4 1.20 Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.20
1 5 25.00 40.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 25.00 and 40.00
2 3 7.00 Pre-flop Raise % is less than 7.00
ARI_4 0 Maniac!
15 1 1.80 Aggression Factor - Total is greater than 1.80
1 2 50.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than or equal to 50.00
2 1 15.00 Pre-flop Raise % is greater than 15.00
ARI_5 0 sLA P
15 4 1.20 Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.20
2 2 7.00 Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 7.00
1 5 25.00 40.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 25.00 and 40.00
ARI_6 0 TA P
1 3 25.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than 25.00
2 2 7.00 Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 7.00
15 4 1.20 Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.20
ARI_7 0 LA A
1 1 40.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than 40.00
2 2 7.00 Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 7.00
15 1 1.20 Aggression Factor - Total is greater than 1.20
ARI_8 0 LA P
15 4 1.20 Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.20
1 1 40.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than 40.00
2 2 7.00 Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 7.00
ARI_9 0 TP P
1 3 25.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than 25.00
15 4 1.20 Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.20
2 3 7.00 Pre-flop Raise % is less than 7.00
ARI_10 0 sLA A
2 2 7.00 Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 7.00
15 1 1.20 Aggression Factor - Total is greater than 1.20
1 5 25.00 40.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 25.00 and 40.00
ARI_11 0 sLP A
1 5 25.00 40.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 25.00 and 40.00
2 3 7.00 Pre-flop Raise % is less than 7.00
15 1 1.20 Aggression Factor - Total is greater than 1.20
ARI_13 0 TP A
15 1 1.20 Aggression Factor - Total is greater than 1.20
1 3 25.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than 25.00
2 3 7.00 Pre-flop Raise % is less than 7.00
ARI_14 0 LP A
1 1 40.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than 40.00
2 3 7.00 Pre-flop Raise % is less than 7.00
15 1 1.20 Aggression Factor - Total is greater than 1.20
ARI_15 0 TA A
15 1 1.20 Aggression Factor - Total is greater than 1.20
1 3 25.00 Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than 25.00
2 2 7.00 Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 7.00
Autorate Rules End

Maybe I will start a new thread with this to get more responses.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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Maybe I will start a new thread with this to get more responses.

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Maybe you should search first. This has been covered here plenty and there are tons of links around to other places such as bet-the-pot.com and pokertracker.com that have a lot more info on this.

[Kev7554]

Oh trust me I have searched and searched for rules that are for 6max NL and can only come up with 10 max or bisons limit holdem rules.

[drexah]

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Keep your raises similar, at 25nl on PP i raise 2-3$ almost always. Once people see that you raise this amount they will start to call you a lot more with marginal hands. (When i first sit down i will raise this with AK-AJ, QKs, and even 88-AA) It is also extremely easy to outplay almost everyone at this level postflop, if you fire out any sort of meaningful bet on the flop, if they missed, they will almost always fold.

I'm not at home right now but when i get home i will post my PT stats (At 25nl i'm at 20bb/100 and at 50nl im at 13bb/100) My sample size isn't exactly 'huge' but i have been killing the games for quite a while. My vpip is around 30-33 and my pfr is 11-12. I like to get in money preflop and try to outplay opponents if i don't hit. I generally always bet the flop so when i do hit a monster i will get action a lot of the times.

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Is 20/bb100 realy sustainable? And you must be 4 tabeling right?

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i do anywhere from 2-4 tables, however recently i have been realizing 4 is a little too much for me, even at 4 i am talking on irc/aim/surfing/winamp, so i keep it at 3 mostly, but im now up to 26bb/100 over 4k hands, i know 4k isnt that much at all buti really havent been on a crazy run. Also, right now im at 25nl but i will be moving back up to 50 very soon, i just wanted to make a good amount of money so if/when i lost a buyin at 50 i wouldnt even flinch.