Some SNG Newbie questions - Page 2

MSUcougar · #11 03-21-2005, 06:09 PM

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My answer to #2 was stupid.

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Why's that? Cause the huge reraise makes it likely someone has a T and I'm beat and its early and with $425 chips I should live to fight another day? I agree I think the push on the flop was prob the best move anyway.

FWIW these questions are from $22 SNGs on a Party skin. Thx!

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I'll almost guarantee that you're ahead on #2 in this situation. I'd be much more concerned about a call on that flop than a raise. I put him on a PP all the way down to like 77 in this situation. I reraise him all in and expect to win this pot 95% of the time. Do not fold AA here.

lastchance · #12 03-21-2005, 06:15 PM

I like CRing all-in with #2.

1 is a call at the low limits, a fold when you get higher up.

3 is a reraise from me personally, but calling isn't horrible.

Slim Pickens · #13 03-21-2005, 06:18 PM

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Pushing the flop ensures that you will be called only when you are beat. In my opinion pushing is the worst play.

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1) Just because you are going to be beat when you are called doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't push.

2) You are going to get called by worse hands about half of the time anyways in a 20+1 SnG.

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1) That doesn't apply here. There is no better hand that you could get to fold by pushing, therefore, don't push. Simple.

2) not on this flop you won't. Give people a chance to make a hand.

pooh74 · #14 03-21-2005, 06:32 PM

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1) I'd call. Only 2 hands have you beat. One hand AK is a coin flip. Any other hand you have dominated. I see fools pushing all in with medium PP often enough to make this a call.

2) You are pot committed. Call this. Again, I think you will be surprised at some of the hands you'll get shown. I would consider this a good flop for me. The chances of 2 opponents hitting this flop is low. You can check or bet out on this one. If you check, do it with the intention of check-raising all in.

3) I'd call if I thought the EP player wouldn't raise again. It would also depend on how many chips you have. I suppose one could argue folding, calling, or re-raising here. I'd call with position though.

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What he said...

#1 is the only close one IMO...

To fold #3 on the button with those sized raises is just horrible. You can always get away from the flop, and you act last. I would not reraise here, but easy call...if raiser 1 pushes, oh well, 60 chips wasted...but this doesnt happen often enough to warrant laying down AK on the button.

Paul2432 · #15 03-21-2005, 06:33 PM

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Pushing the flop ensures that you will be called only when you are beat. In my opinion pushing is the worst play.

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1) Just because you are going to be beat when you are called doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't push.

2) You are going to get called by worse hands about half of the time anyways in a 20+1 SnG.

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1) That doesn't apply here. There is no better hand that you could get to fold by pushing, therefore, don't push. Simple.

2) not on this flop you won't. Give people a chance to make a hand.

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What hand are people going to make? If people call a PFR it is frequently with pocket pairs trying to flop a set. A bet here gets these hands to fold. The only hand that they make beats you. Granted it is rare that a PP will spike on the turn, but often there is no upside to giving a free card.

Paul

Slim Pickens · #16 03-21-2005, 06:42 PM

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To fold #3 on the button with those sized raises is just horrible. You can always get away from the flop, and you act last. I would not reraise here, but easy call...if raiser 1 pushes, oh well, 60 chips wasted...but this doesnt happen often enough to warrant laying down AK on the button.

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Folding #3 is only horrible if you're smart enough to get away from a flop like [KT5]rainbow with action to you. AK can only win a lot of chips off worse aces, and even then the board has to be such that you only have TPTK.

The redeeming quality this situation has is that your hand is disguised. If people put you on AK after a preflop raise, you get no action when your hand is good and get cleaned out when they have it beat.

beggars · #17 03-21-2005, 06:45 PM

Interesting perspective as far as just calling. I probably don't call as often as I should but this just seems like an obvious push. I suppose the logic could be the end result is going to be the exact same regardless (he has a 10 and you bust or he doesn't and you bust him) so why push. I still don't like giving free cards if I think I'm ahead - and this a hand where you have to think you're ahead, though at at $20 sng, A10, K10, J10 are all definite possiblities.

Slim Pickens · #18 03-21-2005, 06:49 PM

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What hand are people going to make?

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1) Flush or straight draw as a semi bluff. KQs or KJs come to mind as hands people might play to a PFR.

2) Two pair. Jack or higher on the turn could very easily make someone two pair with a playable hand.

3) A PP lower than tens might think they're good if the turn comes nine or lower.

EarlCat · #19 03-21-2005, 07:01 PM

1) Easy call. I can't see higher than JJ here. With everyone else folded, I think KK or AA is more likely to just call and let you hang yourself.

2) I would have checked the flop. Given that you bet and got raised, I think you're probably pot committed. Did you have a good read on the raiser? What did the other caller do after you bet? If he called too I'm out. If not, I could go either way. Depends if the reraiser is loose, if you're seen as tight, etc. etc.

3) Call. You've got a great hand on the button. I hope you flop a K.

pooh74 · #20 03-21-2005, 07:06 PM

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To fold #3 on the button with those sized raises is just horrible. You can always get away from the flop, and you act last. I would not reraise here, but easy call...if raiser 1 pushes, oh well, 60 chips wasted...but this doesnt happen often enough to warrant laying down AK on the button.

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Folding #3 is only horrible if you're smart enough to get away from a flop like [KT5]rainbow with action to you. AK can only win a lot of chips off worse aces, and even then the board has to be such that you only have TPTK.

The redeeming quality this situation has is that your hand is disguised. If people put you on AK after a preflop raise, you get no action when your hand is good and get cleaned out when they have it beat.

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You HAVE to be smart enough to get away from it and Im sure we've all overplayed our TPTK before and walked away with our tails between our legs to understand when is the time to push the envelope and when is not..(I actually lost this way mid SNG the other day and realized how long it had been since it had happened).

Anyway, lets assume that OP IS smart enough as he is posting here (not that this means anything, I am posting here too)...laying down AK to a t60 raise early just on principle is wrong...as well as very weak...
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