Low limit beatable? or impossible!(long)

[sfwusc]

Ok you play a table with 6 to the flop.

You wins pay off 2-3 times as much, but your winning % wouldnt decrease 50-66%. Those tables are more profitable.

SWUSC

[colgin]

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Hi,anyone have an opinion on this,if you play the better cards you should beat a worse player than you in the long run right? ,unless you get unlucky right? but when you are playing nine other players is it even possible to beat this luck factor at all? it only takes one of them to get lucky to beat you per hand and quickly erode your bankroll and confidence,i guess my question is, should you even bother playing loose low limit holdem when 5/6 players are seeing the flop,or should you save up until you can afford the higher limits,where 2/3 people see the flop and you half the chance of getting sucked out.Any opinions would be great.

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Here's a serious response for you. However, it is not an opinion. It is a statement of fact. The games you describe are beatable by a good player and, in fact, they are the most easily beatable. That is all.

[bobbyi]

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Could you point me towards these tables with 5/6 people seeing the flop?

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You might want to try any cardroom anywhere in the US. At my local casino, on Friday I played in a 10/20 where typical EP limping hands included 58. My strongest memory from Saturday was when seven people (at a nine-handed table) saw the flop for a cap in my 20/40 game and I flopped a flush with my JTs and lost to a larger flopped flush. On Sunday, I was in a 20/40 where there was a guy who was so drunk he couldn't read the board and he was raising in EP with hands like K3s. I see people play hands like 23 pretty often. When I started playing, even in a 4/8 game, you would almost never have a "family pot", and now they don't even phase me. The story is the same right now at cardrooms pretty much everywhere in the country. And these are mid-limit games. If you can't a low stakes game where the flops are all five-handed or more, you really aren't looking very hard.

[shant]

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Could you point me towards these tables with 5/6 people seeing the flop?

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You might want to try any cardroom anywhere in the US. At my local casino, on Friday I played in a 10/20 where typical EP limping hands included 58. My strongest memory from Saturday was when seven people (at a nine-handed table) saw the flop for a cap in my 20/40 game and I flopped a flush with my JTs and lost to a larger flopped flush. On Sunday, I was in a 20/40 where there was a guy who was so drunk he couldn't read the board and he was raising in EP with hands like K3s. I see people play hands like 23 pretty often. When I started playing, even in a 4/8 game, you would almost never have a "family pot", and now they don't even phase me. The story is the same right now at cardrooms pretty much everywhere in the country. And these are mid-limit games. If you can't a low stakes game where the flops are all five-handed or more, you really aren't looking very hard.

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Sarcasm never comes off on the net. I was just giving the poster a joking response to enforce that you want games where that many people see a flop as they are profitable.

C'mon dude, my location is LA. It would be hard not to find a game with 5/6 players to a flop.

[bobbyi]

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Could you point me towards these tables with 5/6 people seeing the flop?

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You might want to try any cardroom anywhere in the US. At my local casino, on Friday I played in a 10/20 where typical EP limping hands included 58. My strongest memory from Saturday was when seven people (at a nine-handed table) saw the flop for a cap in my 20/40 game and I flopped a flush with my JTs and lost to a larger flopped flush. On Sunday, I was in a 20/40 where there was a guy who was so drunk he couldn't read the board and he was raising in EP with hands like K3s. I see people play hands like 23 pretty often. When I started playing, even in a 4/8 game, you would almost never have a "family pot", and now they don't even phase me. The story is the same right now at cardrooms pretty much everywhere in the country. And these are mid-limit games. If you can't a low stakes game where the flops are all five-handed or more, you really aren't looking very hard.

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Sarcasm never comes off on the net. I was just giving the poster a joking response to enforce that you want games where that many people see a flop as they are profitable.

C'mon dude, my location is LA. It would be hard not to find a game with 5/6 players to a flop.

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Sorry, man. It's hard to for my to tell if someone is serious on these boards when they say that they would love games with 6 people seeing the flop because there are just so many people here that only play online and have no idea that low limit games with a VPIP of 23% aren't normal.

[private joker]

Did anyone else notice the disclaimer of (long) in the subject heading? And then the post was like 6 lines and 4 sentences. That will keep me cheerful throughout the day.

To the original poster: you do not have a very clear understanding of the fundamentals of poker. Read some textbooks, post in the beginners forum, and good luck capitalizing on the boom.

[Zez]

I used to complain about all the callers "disrespecting" my raises. Then I won a $400 pot in a 4/8 game with AJ suited. I don't complain anymore.

[oxsin1000]

Maybe you can be usefull and actually add some information rather that noting that i put "long" in the heading,perhalps you missed my post where i added i am a reasonably new player, perhalps you could explain "the fundamentals of poker" and enlighten the forum,other wise keep your opinions to yourself,noticing "long" in the heading does not add any weight to your opinions other than maybe you seek attention.

[private joker]

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Maybe you can be usefull

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Okay. How about this: it's spelled "useful."

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perhalps you missed my post where i added i am a reasonably new player

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It's "perhaps," and no I didn't. Not that you needed to include that.

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perhalps you could explain "the fundamentals of poker"

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It's "perhaps." And the textbooks can do a better job of explaining than I can, which is why I kindly advised you to read them. You have ignored my advice.


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other wise keep your opinions to yourself

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Otherwise is one word. And if everyone kept their opinions to themselves, there would be no traffic on this forum. This is a place for opinions.


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noticing "long" in the heading does not add any weight to your opinions

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It was very funny.

[chesspain]

It is usually wise for newbies like yourself to avoid making enemies on these boards--assuming, that is, that you want to actually learn from these posters how to play the game.