HU vs. Gonores, volume 2

[gonores]

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Also, I agree that I missed a lot of check-raises, but that's mostly because he gave too many free-cards on the turn.

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Not to nitpick, but I'd say it's the other way around. You missed your c/rs earlier, which made me give free cards later.

[davebytheway]

I find them extremely interesting. Like several other posters I have nothing to add right now - in my case because I have little experience and insight into HU play. However, when I start to devote time to learning about HU play these threads are going to be an extremely useful source of information. I'm sure many people appreciate the effort you two are putting into this...

[zephed56]

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There doesn't appear to be much interest in our second installment. What's the problem behind this? Is this not interesting any more, or are you guys afraid of looking dumb by asking questions/making comments? Do you guys need/want to see two different players play each other so you can compare and contrast styles? We worked too hard on this to garner responses from two people.


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You caused this

[casinogosain]

I'm still working my way through volume 1.

-Ash

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FWIW this thread gave me the courage to play some 1/2 and 2/4 HU today on party. It might be a fluke but it went extremely well and I was thinking of these threads the whole way, thank you both.

[buffett]

I think this is awesome. Thanks so much for doing this.
I haven't set up a Poker Stars account yet, but just being able to play HE .02/.04 against some of you guys would be reason for me to do it. I saw sthief (among others) might be up for it, and I'm always willing to allow some smart Columbia guy to teach my dumb little Penn self how to play. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] (After all, Warren Buffett Himself dropped out of 'West Philly U.' but later graduated from 'Upper West Side High.')
-web

[flub]

Was there ever a Volume 3?

Do you guys (Gonores and James) feel this exercise helped your heads up play? Did you have much experience from before? Is this the same way you would play as the last 2 players in a limit tournament? And could you compare this play to any time when you were in such a situation?

I've only played heads-up when I made it to the end in tournaments and my opponents have been much less aggressive. But they probably had around the same experience as myself.

It would be interesting to not have the capping rule since this is heads up. I'm guessing there were times preflop where Gonores capped when he wouldn'd have if he could be reraised.

Were there any all out bluffs on the river this match? It's interesting how there is so much betting on such thin value and so little bluffing. It seems like you were both commited to a showdown or thought your opponent was on any hand worth bluffing.

cheers,
-flub

[gonores]

There was no volume 3. James and I (and a few other players) are batting around the idea of playing a bunch of these hands (and a bunch more hands vs. fish) and offering them via a purchaseable downloaded pdf file. The reasons behind this are:

1) Lots of people seemed to like them
2) Very few people would/could make constructive criticism
3) They are a pain in the ass to write up (and writing up each and every hand is important). Each 100 hand write-up represents well over $1000 of lost EV between James and myself.

Now we just need to get off our lazy asses

Did I personally learn from it? Yeah...any time I can get into James's mind I usually come back out with something that makes my game better.

River bluffs? I'm sure there were a couple, but most of our bluffing came on flops and turns...that's mostly a function of smaller pots leading to more successful bluffs.

[AviD]

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offering them via a purchaseable downloaded pdf file

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[cjx]

I was considering suggesting something along these lines myself, but if you were to offer it at a reasonable price like <$2 it'd take a considerable interest to make up for the time spent vs just playing online. Maybe people would be willing to pay more... I don't know... just one man's opinion.

Additionally setting up the infrastructure for it could be bothersome unless you decided to go ghetto and just do everything by hand and have people paypal you and then you'd respond by emailing the file or giving them a username/pass to an ftp site that you administered.

I'd definitely like to see more of these, but I just don't know if there's a good way to do it to make it worth your while.

cjx