Capped 4-ways, holding a small PP

[wheelz]

I didn't think the preflop was that bad myself...

But yeah I know I should've folded the flop. And yeah of course I only posted the hand because the river went check, check after a blank fell and they both showed AK and split the pot.

But I know better than to be results oriented... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Really though, I knew I was supposed to fold the flop, but my gut told me I had a shot at this pot with 66. So then I wasted 1 BB so I could fold the winner on the turn. Good work wheelz.

[ChessMan]

I think folding the flop is the right move. However, if BB is prone to betting with nothing but overcards, then I think you can consider raising.

[wheelz]

Of course now that I saw their hands, I wish I raised the flop bet. But obviously, due to the flop action, I was expecting to be against a higher pair. I do think everyone was too quick to assume since the pot was capped preflop with so many players in, someone had to have an overpair, though. It was the LAG who capped it. I wonder if maybe raising the flop is a possibility here. Would've still lost the one BB, but would've been 100% sure whether I was against an overpair or not.

I know the LAG will cap preflop with AK here and bet his overcards on the flop, and the CO could easily be 3-betting AK or AQ preflop. After he raised the flop bet though, I was sure he had a pair... that part of the hand definitely took me by surprise. I guess he realized what the BB was doing before I did.

edit: I do still think folding the flop is the correct play here though.

[naphand]

Hero is getting 17:1 to call one bet on the flop, he has a PP with a raggy board which will have missed big overcards, he also has an open-ended 3-straight, he may even have the best hand. The likelihood of opponent raising is more of a consideration here, in terms of how it damages his implied odds, than anyone has discussed yet. When it is raised and back to him on the flop he is getting 21:1 which makes this an easy call to see the Turn and spike a set or a 4 for a scratchy re-draw (but worth it with a pot this size).

I think, given his draws 17:1 is not entirely unreasonable for a call on the flop. This hand is really not that different to this which I posted, and the consensus there was that PF was OK and flop was an easy call.

[helpmeout]

So you raise 66 on a laggy table in early position, thats suicide.

If it was a rock garden then of course but his read was that the table was LAG.

[helpmeout]

Its a bad flop call against aggressive opponents.

There is a good possibility that CO would raise and BB caps it.

[Benjamin]

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So you raise 66 on a laggy table in early position, thats suicide.

If it was a rock garden then of course but his read was that the table was LAG.

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It was a 5-top, and his read was that the CO and button were reasonable, but the blinds were LAGs. Easy raise. It turned out bad when CO woke up with a hand, but it's a moneymaker in the long run.

You will frequently see the flop against just the 1 or 2 LAGs, with position, and with a made middle pair. Good times.

B.

[wheelz]

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It was a 5-top, and his read was that the CO and button were reasonable, but the blinds were LAGs. Easy raise. It turned out bad when CO woke up with a hand, but it's a moneymaker in the long run.

You will frequently see the flop against just the 1 or 2 LAGs, with position, and with a made middle pair. Good times.

B.

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These were my thoughts exactly. Everyone keeps pointing out that I raised with 66 out of position on a LAGgy table. I figured this raise would give me position vs the two LAGs, and I would be in a good spot. After the CO 3-bet, though, it just looks like I really screwed up this hand.

I liked the preflop play.

[Phil Van Sexton]

Now that you've added that the button was also a tight player, the pre-flop raise makes more sense. Buying the button and isolating 2 LAGs sounds like a good plan.

[chio]

the fact that this table is LAG has tremendous influence in all my decisions this hand, esp with a pocket pair

preflop:
raising 66 2 off the button is fine, especially considering the action you'll get when you flop a set

calling 2 more back to you is a must, considering that it's already been capped, you'll get tons of action with a set if you're up against an overpair, and you're getting 7-1 since everyone is going to call


flop:
i say fold here. you're getting 17-1 with maybe 2 clean outs and a backdoor straight draw.

but you're out of position and with a LAG and one or more overpairs out there, you'll likely be paying more than 1 bet to take one off, and there's no way you'll make that up with implied odds


turn:
given that you called the flop, your turn fold is good. your odds are much worse now, and you don't have a backdoor draw anymore