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#11
12-06-2004, 01:08 PM
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Re: QQ first hand of $30 sit n go
I think your play is fine. The reason it makes sense is that you're not trying to steal the pot here. Instead you're hoping for a call by a weak ace, or an underpair, both of which will call preflop, but likely not post flop unless they're ahead of you. Given the range of hands you'll be called with here, I think this play has good $EV, and is very good for your $/hr.
Zephyr 
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#12
12-06-2004, 04:44 PM
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Re: QQ first hand of $30 sit n go
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I think this play has good $EV, and is very good for your $/hr. [/ QUOTE ] i think that's an excellent point. i'm primarily a cash game player, and it always struck me as weird that more tournament players didn't take this into account.
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#13
12-06-2004, 05:50 PM
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Re: QQ first hand of $30 sit n go
I think it really depends on why you're playing poker. I think very few of us are really playing for the money alone. Many pros say that they make more money in ring games, but they still play tournaments. If you value the fun and competitive aspects of tournament play, and there isn't another tournament you can jump into if you bust out it seems fine to me to focus less on hourly rate and more on placing well in individual tournaments. Same is true if you get a great deal of psychic value from placing high in a tournament, or if you get a great deal of disutility from busting out of tournaments early.
But if you care only about the money, obviously you are right.
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#14
12-06-2004, 06:08 PM
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Re: QQ first hand of $30 sit n go
We're talking about sng's here. There's always another one waiting, and if you're getting emotional highs and low's based on how you place in individual ones then you're obviously not a serious player.
I agree with you on much much bigger tournaments. Zephyr
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#15
12-08-2004, 06:08 AM
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Re: QQ first hand of $30 sit n go
You are actually a dog to AKo if you go allin as AKo gets to see the next five cards and beats you.
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#17
12-08-2004, 08:12 AM
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Re: QQ first hand of $30 sit n go
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[ QUOTE ] You are actually a dog to AKo if you go allin as AKo gets to see the next five cards and beats you. [/ QUOTE ] huh? [/ QUOTE ] Sorry misread some stats. Rushed the post. Only my own stupidity to blame. Sorry once again. You are 56-44 against AK pf, but 75-25 on the flop if there is no overcard to your pair. It might be better to wait until the flop to push.
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#18
12-08-2004, 08:36 AM
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Re: QQ first hand of $30 sit n go
i think its a bad play
the risk may look right in tournament chip EV terms but given you have a positive expectation in this tournament its way too much of a risk to put it in the over used mathematical terms - if you started the tourney with T1600 and only 8 opponents would your expectation of winning money be doubled when compared with starting with T800 and 9 opponents ? - ie consider your expectation when you do double up early in a SNG i reckon the answer is that your expectation after doubling up early increases substantially but falls comfortably short of double your starting expectation - this is a simple explanation of why its right not to take substantial risks early in a tourney - ie because the reward isnt accurately measured by the tourney chips you win i think pushing in this spot is taking the ultimate risk with a projected reward that simply doesnt compensate take a smaller risk by seeing a favourable flop before you start investing heavily this early - the chooks who called your push pre-flop with garbage do the same awful things and sometimes worse things post-flop stripsqueez - chickenhawk
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