Overcards, bet the flop ?

[Haupt_234]

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I give up

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As do I. I guess I will wait to see what others have to say, but I don't see your case of bluffing (or "semi-bluffing" with the 9 and 10 overcards) after a small pot on the flop with others to act behind you. What if you are raised? Checkraised? Called on the flop and a Q, K, or A comes on the turn?

I am aggressive, but this seems stupidly aggressive to me. I am not trying to put you down, only get across my point of view, which seems very logical.

Haupt_234

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I am aggressive, but this seems stupidly aggressive to me. I am not trying to put you down, only get across my point of view, which seems very logical.

It seems logical to you, to me it seems silly.

What if you are raised? Checkraised? Called on the flop and a Q, K, or A comes on the turn?

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[Sleepy Weasel]

A bet seems reasonable to me if either:
-You think you have a chance of winning it on the flop
-You think you can fold AKQJ/T9 so your overcard outs are actually good.

I guess that would depend on game texture. Or am I missing the point?

[zram21]

Would anyone check raise this flop once it is heads up? As someone mentioned you will rarely get credit for the 4 when you bet out, but the check raise will certainly give the Button the idea you have a 4. There is a better chance he will fold to the check raise than a lead out bet especially since he may have just been taking a stab since everyone checked to him.

Even if he does call if an over card doesn't hit your lead bet will almost certainly make him fold. Too aggressive?

[BigEndian]

I bet this flop only if I feel I will get the field to fold with a bet here and a bet on the turn - that's a BIG if. Not worth it to me betting into three players. Add to this that on the 5/10 you are very likely to get raised by someone with overcards or a small pair to clear the field.

On the whole, I don't see this as a hand the builds your stack over time.

I saw below someone post that a backdoor flush makes a difference in their decision. I couldn't disagree more. If anyone finds themselves looking at a backdoor flush (non-nut to boot) in this situation as justification to make a stab at this pot, I think you're going to have to make up the chips elsewhere in your 5/10 game.

Next hand.

- Jim

[Nate tha' Great]

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Would anyone check raise this flop once it is heads up?

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A flop check-raise does not represent a 4. It represents someone representing a 4.

[BigEndian]

If you're going to CR, wait till the turn. A CR on the flop is only telling your opponent that you don't believe they have the 4. But it also tells them you aren't confident enough in your hand to wait until a later street.

But, I don't think that's a good line for this hand either.

- Jim

[Trix]

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I saw below someone post that a backdoor flush makes a difference in their decision. I couldn't disagree more. If anyone finds themselves looking at a backdoor flush (non-nut to boot) in this situation as justification to make a stab at this pot, I think you're going to have to make up the chips elsewhere in your 5/10 game.

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I wouldn´t even consider betting here without the backdoor flush. It adds Ten cards that I can bet again on the turn if called.

[BigEndian]

I think semantics got crossed up somehow. I'm not betting this flop without reads on the three opponents being likely folders (typical 5/10 makes this a general no in my book) - backdoor flush or no.

- Jim