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Old 06-13-2004, 06:44 PM
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Default Overcards, bet the flop ?

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, <font color="CC3333">Button bets</font>, SB folds, Hero folds, MP1 folds.


Bet this flop ?
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Old 06-13-2004, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: Overcards, bet the flop ?

With the backdoor flush I would
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Old 06-13-2004, 07:15 PM
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Default Re: Overcards, bet the flop ?

With no raise you may be up against overcards, but middle pocket pairs are common limping hands. I don't think the backdoor flush draw gives you enough support to start driving at this pot. You will probably not get credit for having a 4 as most would check here with a four. What will you do if raised which is exactly what will happen if someone holds 66-88 or a hand like A5? I know its said way too much but..I think you can find a better spot to put your money in.
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Old 06-13-2004, 07:31 PM
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Default Re: Overcards, bet the flop ?

The only reason to bet is to bluff the 4. With multiple unknown opponents in the hand, I have a hard time believing that this play would be profitable. Wait for a better hand to put your money into.

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Old 06-13-2004, 07:34 PM
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Default Re: Overcards, bet the flop ?

I don't think the backdoor flush draw gives you enough support to start driving at this pot.

How about six overcard outs?
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Old 06-13-2004, 07:40 PM
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Default Re: Overcards, bet the flop ?

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don't think the backdoor flush draw gives you enough support to start driving at this pot. [ QUOTE ]

How about six overcard outs?

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Nope, not those either. Not in EP.

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Old 06-13-2004, 07:45 PM
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Default Re: Overcards, bet the flop ?

Nope, not those either. Not in EP.

Is there any hand you would bet from here? This is ridiculous, 4-1 odds on a flop that more than likely missed everybody and no one wants to take a stab at it.
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Old 06-13-2004, 07:52 PM
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Default Re: Overcards, bet the flop ?

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Is there any hand you would bet from here? This is ridiculous, 4-1 odds on a flop that more than likely missed everybody and no one wants to take a stab at it.

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I would think that betting with two unknown opponents to act after you would get called atleast 20% of the time, making this play a losing one. Also, after a single call from a player behind you, betting the turn would just be getting into bluffing. And pure bluffs aren't the wisest play in low limit games.


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Old 06-13-2004, 07:56 PM
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Default Re: Overcards, bet the flop ?

Noone force you to bet the turn if you get called on the flop.
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Old 06-13-2004, 07:56 PM
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Default Re: Overcards, bet the flop ?

And pure bluffs aren't the wisest play in low limit games.

I give up [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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