Hi!

I think you are right but some things may be important to mention. Firstly affiliates may drive traffic to the sites, for instance poker rooms are marketed on casinosites feeding us with new players and their money. It's just like saying commercials makes goods more expensive.

Another thing I would like to point out is that there may be affiliate websites that provides users with good and relevant information, for instance pokerpulse.com seems to be connected to a number of affiliate programs. Keeping up the work with sites like this probably takes both time and efforts so letting good content providers earning some money on their efforts seems right to me.

But of course beware of banner farms and 'reviews' by persons who hasn't even downloaded the software or even played poker online. There is no reason to support those actors since they don't contribute to the online poker community (Well maybe somebody decides to sign up for a poker room but the information on the pages is useless).

So why not support the information resources by clicking the appropriate links IF you like the information or service supported. By the way I'm not associated with any of the sites mentioned above and I'm not 100% sure about the affiliate status of the mentioned sites.

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[fishy2]

Fishy is so dumb.

[Bubmack]

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Completely invalid, affiliates are marketing strategies, they increase the pool of players for the cardroom and thus quantity supplied, as quantity increase price go down.

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Since we are talking about the players and their desire to play poker that is known as demand and not supply. Supply would be an increase in card rooms. The more people that want something the higher the demand. Therefore, as demand goes up price will follow. This only makes sense, since the affilliate is artificially increasing demand - the site will have more leverage to price its product......Did you notice that Partypoker did not give out a redeposit bonus this month? Do you think it is a coincidence that they nearly doubled their traffic in one month - due to their other promotions? I dont think so.

Bubs

Note: I have been spamming my affilliate bonus code at other non poker gambling forums - so I can not say that I am not a part of the problem

[fishy2]

Why all the spamming?

[Fishy]

"Since we are talking about the players and their desire to play poker that is known as demand and not supply. Supply would be an increase in card rooms."

Supply also shifts because they have to increase output. Producers price go down as output increases and tend to economy of scale. The advertsing is a cost but profits must go up more, they cannot increase price given that the market is sufficiently competitive enough, so quantity must increase more.
So the supply shift should be greater than the demand shift.

Supply increase does not mean increasing number of cardrooms, it means increasing Q output.

[Fishy]

"Did you notice that Partypoker did not give out a redeposit bonus this month? Do you think it is a coincidence that they nearly doubled their traffic in one month - due to their other promotions?"

Dude, the change in demand is not a shift, it is a lowering of price to another market segment. Bonuses are money for the new players. It's a price discrimination.

Lowering price is a movement along demand.
A shift is caused by PPM3 Travel channel, Moneymaker news, etc.

The main thing is that they have different market segments, new players and regulars. P is lowered for the New players. P is NOT increased for the regulars.

But I used a competitive market example to piss Mike Haven off For a pure comp market price cannot go up if demand goes up only if supply cost increases but Marginal supply tends to go down as they increase output. (Until it hits the dimishing return bit but nevermind)

Really it is an imperfectly competitive market but I couldn't be bother to explain this scenario.

[Bubmack]

Fishy,

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the change in demand is not a shift, it is a lowering of price to another market segment.

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It is a shift in the damand curve. If this is not a shift I do not know what is? - it is abvious that new players increase demand - more requests to purchase your product at the same price as yesterday. It is not a response to a change in supply? The market supply is infinite. Also, this is not a perfect market - so you can't assume that a few other sites will allow efficiency. Most participants dont have full information or understanding to make a change to a competitor for things like price or service.

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The main thing is that they have different market segments, new players and regulars. P is lowered for the New players. P is NOT increased for the regulars.

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P is increased. As I said before - did you not notice that there was no deposit bonus this month? That is an increase in price for the regular segment.


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For a pure comp market price cannot go up if demand goes up only if supply cost increases

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Its not efficient due to the lack of information - so price can go up - and that also explains the different rake schedules used by poker sites. In an efficient market (commodity) every site would have the same rake shedule. And trust me - it would be much less. In the long run competition removes all of the profit available to the suppliers (not including things like basic cost of time to run and compensation for risks).

The max rake would probably be somewhere around a quarter in an efficient market.

Bubs

[Fishy]

[Fishy]

Just to piss off Mike Haven, Demand really is not increased, the new players are attracted by the dep bonus which is just a lowering of the price. That is a movement down the curve.
I AM TALKING ABOUT AFFILIATE BONUSES.
And I stated the conditions in my first post, you just used another condition and I couldn't be bother to continue with this boring topic. I used affiliate bonuses advertisement, you used increased demand by PPM3(increased awareness), I used Perfect comp, you used imperfect comp. Come on dude!