genoa_st step 5 higher -- he made a correct call

[Rojosox]

First off , A10 called me, Genoa had 99 Voltron. You are misunderstanding...here's the order of all-in

1. ME - QQ
2. Player with AT
3. Genoa calling both with 99

I'm not going to get into the hands I push here without giving away strategies, but seriously, if I am 99 I doubt I'm calling 2 all-ins, especially from one guy who hasn't played much of anything all tourney, WITH A caller of that. I know I was 58% to triple up, just sucks for me! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Voltron87]

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it doesnt matter how "tight" Rojo has been playing. Any idiot that can win at sit and go's will push with a very large range of hands in Rojo's seat. I play tight as hell the first 3 rounds too, to draw any conclusions from this once the blinds become 100-200 and I'm short on chips is ridiculous.

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I agree, it's not like he flashes a sign when he changes gears. I added the comment because Voltron mentioned something about how Rojo was playing.

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I didn't say how Rojo had been playing. Or if I did, it was that I didn't know. I didn't watch the tourney in whole so I don't know. I screwed up all the hands [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] but I didn't say how Rojo was playing.

[wuwei]

If I remember correctly, the comment was "it depends on how he was playing." So I answered [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Freudian]

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First off , A10 called me, Genoa had 99 Voltron. You are misunderstanding...here's the order of all-in

1. ME - QQ
2. Player with AT
3. Genoa calling both with 99

I'm not going to get into the hands I push here without giving away strategies, but seriously, if I am 99 I doubt I'm calling 2 all-ins, especially from one guy who hasn't played much of anything all tourney, WITH A caller of that. I know I was 58% to triple up, just sucks for me! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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When I saw the hand I thought that it was as if he decided that 99 was a hand he would call you with and he didn't manage to alter his mindset when a third guy joined the dance.

Possibly another factor is probably the lure of possibly being the big stack at this table making him call in a spot where he shouldn't.

When the cards flipped over, I bet you were thrilled. Only five cards to beat you.

[TheUsher]

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it doesnt matter how "tight" Rojo has been playing. Any idiot that can win at sit and go's will push with a very large range of hands in Rojo's seat. I play tight as hell the first 3 rounds too, to draw any conclusions from this once the blinds become 100-200 and I'm short on chips is ridiculous.

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I think you misunderstood him curtains. wuwei may also be saying he's been playing tight in the sense of blind steals too, not just early play. If I remember correctly, Rojo folded a few times when I was expecting him to steal. This led me to believe that when Rojo pushed the next hand in CO with QQ, he had at least *something* decent enough to see a showdown. I was happy to see he had QQ though when the cards were turned up since he was a big favorite.

(just requested HH's so I don't go from memory and make an idiot of myself)

SB:

***** Hand History for Game 1968529560 *****
100/200 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 11730461) - Thu Apr 28 20:53:10 EDT 2005
Table Step Higher 5 1014153 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: bikkje (1395)
Seat 4: genoa_st (1205)
Seat 5: z079236 (1825)
Seat 6: wsopin05 (805)
Seat 7: gbertell (2040)
Seat 8: RoJoSox (780)
Seat 10: bigjonsta (1950)
RoJoSox posts small blind (50)
bigjonsta posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
bikkje folds.
genoa_st folds.
z079236 folds.
wsopin05 folds.
gbertell folds.
RoJoSox folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 150
bikkje balance 1395, didn't bet (folded)
genoa_st balance 1205, didn't bet (folded)
z079236 balance 1825, didn't bet (folded)
wsopin05 balance 805, didn't bet (folded)
gbertell balance 2040, didn't bet (folded)
RoJoSox balance 730, lost 50 (folded)
bigjonsta balance 2000, bet 100, collected 150, net +50


Button:

***** Hand History for Game 1968556048 *****
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 11730461) - Thu Apr 28 20:57:50 EDT 2005
Table Step Higher 5 1014153 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: bikkje (1345)
Seat 4: genoa_st (1305)
Seat 5: z079236 (2125)
Seat 6: wsopin05 (555)
Seat 7: gbertell (2190)
Seat 8: RoJoSox (730)
Seat 10: bigjonsta (1750)
bigjonsta posts small blind (100)
bikkje posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
genoa_st folds.
z079236 folds.
wsopin05 folds.
gbertell folds.
RoJoSox folds.
bigjonsta folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 300
bikkje balance 1445, bet 200, collected 300, net +100
genoa_st balance 1305, didn't bet (folded)
z079236 balance 2125, didn't bet (folded)
wsopin05 balance 555, didn't bet (folded)
gbertell balance 2190, didn't bet (folded)
RoJoSox balance 730, didn't bet (folded)
bigjonsta balance 1650, lost 100 (folded)

[adanthar]

This call wasn't THAT bad - if genoa only beat out the SB he was basically playing for a save.

But it was still bad and based off a bad read on top of it. It was marginal to decent IF Rojo pushes with any two. The tighter his standards, the worse the call.

The AT played it worse, though, IMO.

[Van Strummer]

With Rojo pushing any two I get the following win%
genoa 35
bikkje 47
rojo 18
Which gives a $EV of the call:
0.3052*0.35 + 0.1211*0.18*0.43= 0.116
Actually a small decrease in $EV.

[Rojosox]

well, the 1st guy called, and I was like PLEASE NO KK OR AA, praying that he didnt have an overpair.....then Genoa thought for a while and I was like FU$%$#.....That Damn Ace might have cost me 100k. Wow that last sentence leaves an atrocious taste in my mouth. It was a nice consolation that Genoa went out 6 and that other moron went out 4th.

[Rojosox]

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With Rojo pushing any two I get the following win%
genoa 35
bikkje 47
rojo 18
Which gives a $EV of the call:
0.3052*0.35 + 0.1211*0.18*0.43= 0.116
Actually a small decrease in $EV.

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I know I was 57.5 % to triple up, cant ask for better than that.

[Degen]

it is not 10/3/2 as you all keep saying

it is a 15k buy-in event that pays 100k to first place...that is 6.67 buy-ins...then 2nd gets 30k and 3rd gets 20k

So the payout is 6.67/2/1.33

Andre