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Unarmed
07-19-2005, 10:30 PM
Villain limp/folded a couple times on the bubble, but also limped KK in MP level 2. This is 4rd HU hand, I pushed one, he min raised one. I don't think he has an ace enough of the time to make this a good shove, but should I raise some amount less than a push? Or should I just let it go? In other news, the $215s are night and day vs. the $109s.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (2 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t7170)
Hero (t2830)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Button calls t200, Hero checks.

Flop: (t600) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t400</font>, Hero shoves.

Freudian
07-19-2005, 10:33 PM
He doesn't have an ace. The big problem with pushing here is that the board is somewhat coordinated so he might interpret your push as you being on a draw and be more likely to call with something you don't want him to call with.

With 1000 chips in the pot, I don't mind pushing though. His flop bet shouldn't matter.

Unarmed
07-19-2005, 10:36 PM
Yeah I know...
Also, how believable is it that I don't raise an ace all-in PF... I think he raises any PP though so I'm just hoping to move him off whatever two cards he has.

Bah, this line sucked and it reeks of desperation.
End of thread.

Freudian
07-19-2005, 10:38 PM
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Yeah I know...
This move sucked.
End of thread.

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Don't be so negative. You have a strong draw to the nut runner runner straight. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I think there are metagame considerations here. You can't fold to him taking a stab at flops you miss all the time. Of course you could wait until the board is somewhat more favourable but doing it sooner rather than later has its benefits.

curtains
07-19-2005, 10:38 PM
It's not that bad a move at all...depends how you feel. I definitely do this sometimes, theres no way you can write this off as bad with no read. They will fold a large % here.


Dont be so results oriented....

The Yugoslavian
07-19-2005, 10:49 PM
I like pushing here preflop alot of the time....but to switch it up what you did isn't necessarily a bad idea. From what I've heard a push pre-flop is what I'd go for.

Yugoslav

07-20-2005, 04:04 AM
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In other news, the $215s are night and day vs. the $109s.


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Please explain, I'm very curious as to what's so different between the 109s and 215s.

Also, I like the push.

John Hurst
07-20-2005, 04:41 AM
I like it. I like it alot.

Unarmed
07-20-2005, 08:38 AM
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In other news, the $215s are night and day vs. the $109s.


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Let me get a larger sample and I'll post my thoughts. VIllain had AK here, not that it matters...

fnord_too
07-20-2005, 08:45 AM
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In other news, the $215s are night and day vs. the $109s.


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Let me get a larger sample and I'll post my thoughts. VIllain had AK here, not that it matters...

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Looking forward to your review. The move I think is fine against someoen who has shown he can play like a pansy. Against aggressive/tricky players, I muck at the first opportunity when they limp unless I have seen them limp fold. (On a side note, no one really buys my suspicious bets in the 50's anymore, but that is fine because now my POB's work really well /images/graemlins/smile.gif )

durron597
07-20-2005, 09:25 AM
When you play HU, there are just some pots you should give up. This is one of them.

You have:
no pair
no draw
an opponent who's shown that he can get tricky

Just let this one go, and make a similiar play when you have a flush draw or overs + gutshot or OESD or something.

schwza
07-20-2005, 10:17 AM
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On a side note, no one really buys my suspicious bets in the 50's anymore, but that is fine because now my POB's work really well

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POB = post oak bluff, right? so does that mean that you're getting action or stealing pots?

fnord_too
07-20-2005, 11:28 AM
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On a side note, no one really buys my suspicious bets in the 50's anymore, but that is fine because now my POB's work really well

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POB = post oak bluff, right? so does that mean that you're getting action or stealing pots?

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Yes, Post Oak Bluff. What that means is sometimes I make a steal with a small bet when normally I should push and win the blinds. Sometimes I make suspicious bets and raises post flop that look like they want a call. These have been successful in getting people to lay down.

Not too long ago, I started deviating from my betting and raising standards more in MTT's (and this bled into STT's that I recently started playing again) and was having a lot of success with painfully obvious trapping plays. Subjectively, it seems like this success has dried up in STT's (though I still try every now and then) but now it seems the door for stealing pots cheaply has opened up, which I like more since I get crap hands and mis flops a lot more than I get monsters /images/graemlins/smile.gif.