WSOP Day 4: "Official" News, Results, and Discussion

[mmbt0ne]

185 people enter today. Play starts at noon.

Here are some names to keep an eye on:

Place Poker Player Chip Count
1 Greg "Fossil Man" Raymer $ 1,064,000

[jjacky]

that's amazing. good luck to you, greg!

[LargeCents]

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185 people enter today. Play starts at noon.

Here are some names to keep an eye on:

Place Poker Player Chip Count
1 Greg "Fossil Man" Raymer $ 1,064,000

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Cute. Meaning, Fossilman has our full and dedicated support and others need not apply? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Here's the "also-rans" as well:



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Live Tournament Update
2005 WSOP
[Event 42] $10,000
No Limit
Hold'em
World
Championship
End of Day Three Chip Counts


Place Poker Player Chip Count
1 Greg Raymer $ 1,064,000
2 Rodney Pardey Jr. $ 1,041,000
3 Brad Kondracki $ 962,500
4 Johnny Howard $ 910,500
5 Bob Larsen $ 796,500
6 Tim Phan $ 746,000
7 Phil Ivey $ 722,500
8 Steve Marx $ 679,500
9 S Bartholomew $ 659,000
10 Gabe Wells $ 655,500
11 Bryan Stelbuger $ 648,500
12 Oskar Silow $ 638,000
13 Bob Hotchandani $ 627,500
14 Raymi Sanchez Thorn $ 595,500
15 Manelic Minaya $ 594,500
16 Tex Barch $ 590,000
17 Jon Lane $ 585,000
18 James Ocson $ 583,000
19 David Bergsdorf $ 579,500
20 Tom Sartori $ 574,500
21 James Pollack $ 557,500
22 Karlo Lopez $ 556,500
23 Terry Burt $ 550,500
24 Joe Berry $ 542,500
25 James Butt $ 542,500
26 Minh Ly $ 530,250
27 Casper Christensen $ 525,500
28 Thomas A Roupe $ 525,000
29 Gregory Rice $ 523,000
30 Aaron Kanter $ 503,500
31 Howard Lederer $ 496,500
32 Matt Fitzpatrick $ 490,500
33 Randal Brooks $ 490,000
34 Jon Kalmar $ 469,500
35 Hung La $ 467,000
36 Nick Gibson $ 466,000
37 Nani Awad $ 460,500
38 Hunter Pappas $ 455,500
39 Mike Matusow $ 454,000
40 Sean Daulat $ 452,500
41 John McGrane $ 452,500
42 Nani Dollison $ 448,500
43 Tiffany Williamson $ 441,000
44 Mark Forrester $ 440,000
45 Yomtov Shabot $ 427,000
46 Samir Shakhtoor $ 414,000
47 Russell Salzer $ 412,500
48 Chris Short $ 411,500
49 Can Kim Hua $ 404,000
50 Krystal Nelson $ 395,000
51 Espen Saltnes $ 388,000
52 Marcello Del Grosso $ 386,500
53 Kevin Kim $ 384,500
54 George Kelly Dickson $ 377,000
55 Scott Numoto $ 376,500
56 Larry Prugh $ 372,500
57 Carmen Menechella $ 370,000
58 Russ Hamilton $ 365,000
59 John Juanda $ 354,000
60 Jose M Rodriguez $ 352,500
61 Nick Camarts $ 348,500
62 Ron Ware $ 345,000
63 David Plastik $ 342,500
64 Franklin Caldwell $ 339,000
65 Alex Morales $ 337,500
66 Sarah Bilney $ 332,500
67 Bobby Law $ 325,500
68 Jarl Lindholt Joergensen $ 320,500
69 Yakov Hirsch $ 316,500
70 Tuan Vu $ 316,500
71 Chris Drozdowski $ 315,000
72 Tom Shaneberger $ 309,000
73 Michael Kessler $ 297,500
74 Roland Israelashvizi $ 289,000
75 Kenna James $ 287,500
76 Michael Cribb $ 282,500
77 Rafael $ 282,000
78 Daniel Shak $ 280,500
79 Jason Lester $ 280,000
80 Jason Kaplan $ 274,500
81 Bing Wang $ 272,500
82 Gen Watamabe $ 271,000
83 David Richardson $ 269,500
84 Terry Myers $ 269,000
85 Bjorn Lindenberg $ 265,500
86 Tony Pirone $ 265,500
87 Patrick Madden $ 265,000
88 Paul Vicary $ 265,000
89 Scott Lazar $ 264,500
90 Niklas Flisberg $ 260,000
91 Robert Turner $ 260,000
92 Darryl Tennefos $ 259,500
93 JC Tran $ 259,500
94 Andrew Black $ 257,000
95 Bryant King $ 253,500
96 Kevin McCarthy $ 251,000
97 Joe Stillman $ 249,500
98 Joe Simmons $ 245,000
99 Shahram Sheikhan $ 243,000
100 Paul Mannetta $ 240,000
101 Tony Abesamis $ 237,500
102 Francis W O'Brien $ 234,000
103 Patrick Hayden $ 233,000
104 Joseph Hachem $ 231,000
105 Erick Richardson $ 227,000
106 Josh Prager $ 225,000
107 Mark Cole $ 224,500
108 Joe Connor $ 224,000
109 Mitchell Klein $ 219,500
110 Daniel Alaei $ 219,000
111 Alan Singer $ 217,000
112 Jack Ward $ 207,500
113 Webber Kang $ 206,300
114 Kevin Wright $ 202,000
115 Richard Lapwood $ 202,000
116 Richard Kirsch $ 200,500
117 Conor Tate $ 200,000
118 Dennis Savelkoul $ 197,500
119 Anthony Laughing, Jr $ 192,500
120 Kelly Zoudo $ 192,500
121 Dmitriy Eidelman $ 189,500
122 David Steirman $ 181,500
123 Lee Watkinson $ 181,000
124 Joe Toth $ 180,500
125 Stephen Deetz $ 180,000
126 Derek Dix $ 178,500
127 Joseph Chiosie $ 178,000
128 Anthony Hill $ 173,000
129 Joe Beevers $ 173,000
130 Louie Calvo $ 170,500
131 Vadim Shlez $ 170,500
132 Louis Lo $ 169,500
133 Michaey Leahy $ 169,000
134 Adam Friedman $ 166,000
135 Dietrich Alex $ 159,500
136 Cliff Cantor $ 159,000
137 Radu Butan $ 158,500
138 Mark Graves $ 154,000
139 Mike May $ 153,500
140 Kit Phaphon $ 150,500
141 Jake Minter $ 146,500
142 Glyn Banks $ 144,500
143 Bernard Lee $ 143,000
144 Peter Hedlund $ 141,500
145 Mehrdad Yousefzadeh $ 136,500
146 Conan O'Brien $ 136,500
147 Tom Koral $ 132,000
148 Steven Dannenmann, CPA $ 131,000
149 Per Hildebrand $ 131,000
150 Farzad Bonyadi $ 129,500
151 Dustin Woolf $ 127,000
152 Tom Pniak $ 126,500
153 Alejandro Pachero $ 126,500
154 Chris Podlewski $ 126,000
155 Babak Rozi $ 123,000
156 Kevin Kaikko $ 122,000
157 Mark Tenner $ 112,000
158 Paul Fisher $ 110,000
159 Ayhan Alsancak $ 109,500
160 Mark Bryan $ 109,000
161 Adam Sandler $ 109,000
162 Michael P Mollay $ 104,500
163 Kjetil Praesttun $ 102,000
164 Tom Clark $ 94,500
165 Dutch Boyd $ 92,000
166 Joe Leibman $ 88,000
167 Sean Blanton $ 87,000
168 Adam Brosius $ 86,500
169 John R $ 85,500
170 Joseph Vannata $ 84,500
171 Matt Fitzgerald $ 81,500
172 Michael Capener $ 80,000
173 George Thomas Huber $ 73,000
174 Doug Gehring $ 73,000
175 Martin Cedercrantz $ 71,500
176 Frank Hernandez $ 67,000
177 Jon Hoellein $ 63,500
178 Mike Wattel $ 62,500
179 Paul L Darden, Jr. $ 60,000
180 Jeffrey Geiger $ 48,000
181 Tom Drotleff $ 41,500
182 Brett Wiesner $ 36,000
183 Ed Pellegrini $ 23,500
184 John McLaughlin $ 16,500
185 Imad Samouna $ 7,400



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Taken from Pokerwire.com.

[jjacky]

mike matusow is doing well too. fossilman vs the mouth at the final table heads up.... that must be fun to watch.

[Jurollo]

146 Conan O'Brien $ 136,500

That couldnt be... the talk show host?

P.S. What a great final table it would be if we get Ivey/Greg. Such a looong way to go though

[PremiumHands]

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146 Conan O'Brien $ 136,500
161 Adam Sandler $ 109,000


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Sweet, I haven't had a reason to cheer for these guys in a while. I'd love to hear Sandler pull out a "T-T-T-T-Today Junior" after someone takes a long time to make their play.

[sekrah]

Have we confirmed that these are actually these two people or other people with the same name?

[csuf_gambler]

wow i only see like 5 BIG names on there. the pros sure are dwindling. im rooting for lederer and ivey.

and wtf is up with conan o'brian and adam sandler? is that sh1t for reals?

[jjacky]

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Have we confirmed that these are actually these two people or other people with the same name?

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i guess it's just the name.

[Jurollo]

We've been had by someone trying to be funny!!

Kevin O'Brien Bound Brook, NJ $136,500
Amit Sander Miami, FL $109,000

[Freudian]

Ivey with a big stack. If he gets on the right kind of table he will just run it over.

[PremiumHands]

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Have we confirmed that these are actually these two people or other people with the same name?

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i guess it's just the name.

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mmb changed the list. Their real names are "Kevin O'Brien" and "Amit Sander" according to PokerWire.com

[sekrah]

I wonder how bad the sportsbooks will get hit if Ivey wins it?

I would have to think there's been more action on him than anybody else.

[tthree]

I went to bed at midnight EST
Was he shortstaked when he ot busted?

[Bill Murphy]

I was thinking a couple hours ago, if it comes down to those two Friday night, I really believe ESPN'd postpone it for a day or two to hype it & try to make some money off it.

Just a magnificent job by both guys, as well as Howard & Juanda who've been up & down all day. To contradict the other poster, I think there's a good % of 'names' left, prolly more than I'd thought. Bonyadi, Perry, and how about ol' Russ Hamilton? Gotta give credit to Rod Jr. for keeping the lead for 14 fvcking hours, too.

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[Bill Murphy]

LF=AQ My boy Scott Numoto=99 Flop Qxx Turn x River 9. Not sure when all the money went in.

[TaoTe]

It would be very bad.

[USGrant]

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LF=AQ My boy Scott Numoto=99 Flop Qxx Turn x River 9. Not sure when all the money went in.

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Flack pushed on the flop and Numoto called and spiked the 9. I don't know how big Flack's all-in was.

[Ond]

I am rooting for my friend

163 Kjetil Praesttun $ 102,000

He finished 7th in PPMIV. Travel Channel/WPT filmed the last 6 so he just missed the cut there.

Was short stacked at the start of day 3 but made it to day 4 anyway. Still short stacked though.

[Marlow]

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1 Greg "Fossil Man" Raymer $ 1,064,000

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The magnitude of this accomplishment alone is incredible. Even making the final table is unthinkable. Winning is impossible.

Go Greg! We're keeping the faith!

Marlow
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[JordanIB]

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I was thinking a couple hours ago, if it comes down to those two Friday night, I really believe ESPN'd postpone it for a day or two to hype it & try to make some money off it.


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Ummm....aren't they already delaying it 2 months?

[Slow Play Ray]

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1 Greg "Fossil Man" Raymer $ 1,064,000

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The magnitude of this accomplishment alone is incredible. Even making the final table is unthinkable. Winning is impossible.

Go Greg! We're keeping the faith!

Marlow
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Seriously - I have been amazed by this all morning. I keep talking about it to people who clearly don't understand how much of an accomplishment this is (okay, they also just don't care). But anyway...wow. All I have to say is:

GO FOSSILMAN!!!!

[sekrah]

I think he means, make a whole new show with just them two heads up for an hour (TV hour).

[primetime32]

Raymer's accomplishment to this point, even if he doesnt make the final table is a validation of his performance last year. He may be as good as anyone in the world when he has chips.

[cwsiggy]

How did Lederer go from 50k before dinner break to 450k? Nice

[sting]

nh

[sternroolz]

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39 Mike Matusow $ 454,000

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Boo! Hiss!

But should make for some damm great television. I gotta say I cannot stand Matusow, but him and Raymer heads up at the end would be classic.

[MaxPower]

How many days left in this thing? Will they play down to the final table today or tomorrow?

[Kevmath]

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How many days left in this thing? Will they play down to the final table today or tomorrow?

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Thursday (Today playing down to about 100, Wednesday play down to 27 and move to Binion's for Thursday/Friday).

Kevin...

[sekrah]

I'm guessing they get down to 40-60 after today.

Thursday, they knock it down to 9.

Friday is the final.

[sekrah]

Are they stopping at 100? Or are they stopping at set blinds?

I'm sure they could get well under 100 today.

[medaugh]

didn't see his name but might have missed it. What happened to Michael "the grinder" Mizrachi? Not really a fan of his but after his two week run on the WPT, and he was in the upper levels of chips most of the series, it looked like he was playing great. Did he just implode or what?

[Paxosmotic]

Greg's got mad skillz, but the deck really is smacking him in the face. Since the dinner break he's called all-ins with QQ, K7 that flopped two pair, and AA. Everytime someone has a hand that they feel they can push with, Raymer's got them trumped. Not saying he's not a great player, but let's not discount the short term luck involved in an event like this. If there were none, we'd have the same final table every year.

[TheMainEvent]

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didn't see his name but might have missed it. What happened to Michael "the grinder" Mizrachi? Not really a fan of his but after his two week run on the WPT, and he was in the upper levels of chips most of the series, it looked like he was playing great. Did he just implode or what?

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Pretty much. He took a huge hit when he flopped a sucker straight to AK and then busted on a pair vs. overpair. He went from ~400,000 to 0 in about an hour or so.

[Sandwich]

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....luck involved in an event like this. If there were none, we'd have the same final table every year.

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This sounds familiar....

[-Skeme-]

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Greg's got mad skillz, but the deck really is smacking him in the face. Since the dinner break he's called all-ins with QQ, K7 that flopped two pair, and AA. Everytime someone has a hand that they feel they can push with, Raymer's got them trumped. Not saying he's not a great player, but let's not discount the short term luck involved in an event like this. If there were none, we'd have the same final table every year.

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That's usually how you aquire a big stack. Or did you think people become chip leaders just by bluffing?

[Sightless]

Anyone posted this about Anna Benson

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CURSES! MET WIFE GETS BOOT

ANNA Benson, the outrageous wife of Mets pitcher Kris Benson, raised a whole lotta hell in Las Vegas last weekend. The buxom former stripper was ejected from the World Series of Poker at the Rio on Saturday for excessive cursing. After serving a 10-minute penalty for dropping the "f-bomb," a violation of tournament rules, Benson returned and asked her dealer, "Does that mean I can't say any other word? I can say c - - t, p - - - y and c - - k, but I can't say f - - k?"

Full article: http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix_u.htm


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[rusellmj]

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Anyone posted this about Anna Benson

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CURSES! MET WIFE GETS BOOT

ANNA Benson, the outrageous wife of Mets pitcher Kris Benson, raised a whole lotta hell in Las Vegas last weekend. The buxom former stripper was ejected from the World Series of Poker at the Rio on Saturday for excessive cursing. After serving a 10-minute penalty for dropping the "f-bomb," a violation of tournament rules, Benson returned and asked her dealer, "Does that mean I can't say any other word? I can say c - - t, p - - - y and c - - k, but I can't say f - - k?"

Full article: http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix_u.htm


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Too funny. Tilt maybe?

[Paxosmotic]

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That's usually how you aquire a big stack. Or did you think people become chip leaders just by bluffing?

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I thought they flipped coins /images/graemlins/confused.gif

All I'm saying is that luck might get you in the money, skill might get you in the money, but to win this thing you need luck and skill.

[TheMainEvent]

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All I'm saying is that luck might get you in the money, skill might get you in the money, but to win this thing you need luck and skill.

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I think that is pretty well understood by most. Luck factors in so many ways in a tournament, its impossible to even try to quantify it when we are reading updates on cardplayer. When we try to figure out how lucky someone is it only turns into a circular argument. I think its easier to just assume that if a guy beats 2500 players one year and 5600 the next, he's probably at least doing something right.

[Clarkmeister]

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Go Greg!

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[Marlow]

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1 Greg "Fossil Man" Raymer $ 1,064,000

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The magnitude of this accomplishment alone is incredible. Even making the final table is unthinkable. Winning is impossible.

Go Greg! We're keeping the faith!

Marlow
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Seriously - I have been amazed by this all morning. I keep talking about it to people who clearly don't understand how much of an accomplishment this is (okay, they also just don't care). But anyway...wow. All I have to say is:

GO FOSSILMAN!!!!

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ha HA! me too!

this is why I need to quit this job...

[Marlow]

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Anyone posted this about Anna Benson

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CURSES! MET WIFE GETS BOOT

ANNA Benson, the outrageous wife of Mets pitcher Kris Benson, raised a whole lotta hell in Las Vegas last weekend. The buxom former stripper was ejected from the World Series of Poker at the Rio on Saturday for excessive cursing. After serving a 10-minute penalty for dropping the "f-bomb," a violation of tournament rules, Benson returned and asked her dealer, "Does that mean I can't say any other word? I can say c - - t, p - - - y and c - - k, but I can't say f - - k?"

Full article: http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix_u.htm


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Quote of the day. I'm putting this on the fridge.

[RavenJackson]

It looks like Raymer was at the feature table for most of the day yesterday. I hope the ESPN coverage is expansive enough to capture the tenor of his play, rather then the usual heavy editing that only shows "key" hands/big pots.

[unfrgvn]

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... I hope the ESPN coverage is expansive enough to capture the tenor of his play, rather then the usual heavy editing that only shows "key" hands/big pots.

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Everyone is entitled to a dream....

[Marlow]

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... I hope the ESPN coverage is expansive enough to capture the tenor of his play, rather then the usual heavy editing that only shows "key" hands/big pots.

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Everyone is entitled to a dream....

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i actually laughed out loud at this. glad i wasn't drinking milk.

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[TheMainEvent]

I doubt it. For raymer, like most good aggressive players, the pots that he wins preflop are extremely important to his success. They almost never show these.

[TaoTe]

I was thrilled to wake up and find out he had been eliminated. For some reason, which I don't know, I don't like him at all.

[Raiser]

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It looks like Raymer was at the feature table for most of the day yesterday. I hope the ESPN coverage is expansive enough to capture the tenor of his play, rather then the usual heavy editing that only shows "key" hands/big pots.

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Does anyone know how many episodes they will be showing for the ME?

[fsuplayer]

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Go Greg!

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[ohkanada]

Actually I don't think he was at the feature table at all yesterday. Hopefully espn was close by and caught some of his hands. I know he was on the feature table on day 1 when he moved his stack from 3500 to 50k.

Ken

[Brad F.]

Lots. Go to worldseriesofpoker.com. I think if i recall correctly there are 12 episodes ot the main event.
That would be I think 4 more than last year.

Brad

[SomethingClever]

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25 James Butt $ 542,500

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A Butt championship would be +EV for obvious reasons.

[M2d]

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I wonder how bad the sportsbooks will get hit if Ivey wins it?

I would have to think there's been more action on him than anybody else.

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they'll still make money. weren't the starting odds on the individual players horrible? given the field size, I doubt there was enough action on any one player to make the books take a bath.

[mcb]

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Go Greg!

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[Sponger15SB]

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25 James Butt $ 542,500

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A Butt championship would be +EV for obvious reasons.

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Stick it in....

ahh forget it.

[CrazyN8]

Is that the Robert "Chip Burner" Turner on the list?

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91 Robert Turner $ 260,000

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Ninja Turtle?

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77 Rafael $ 282,000

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seriously, no comment?

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81 Bing Wang $ 272,500

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[Maulik]

how many are they trimming the field to from 185?

[DangerGoodson]

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185 people enter today. Play starts at noon.

Here are some names to keep an eye on:

Place Poker Player Chip Count
1 Greg "Fossil Man" Raymer $ 1,064,000

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It will be a huge shock if he doesn't make the final table with where he stands now. 1st last year followed by a final table would by the greatest accomplishment in poker history, in my opinion.

[cow_phunk]

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185 people enter today. Play starts at noon.

Here are some names to keep an eye on:

Place Poker Player Chip Count
1 Greg "Fossil Man" Raymer $ 1,064,000

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at this point in time he's got about 1/56th the chips w/ 180 players to go. while commanding, its not going to guarantee the final table. the immensity of this thing is overwhelming.

It will be a huge shock if he doesn't make the final table with where he stands now. 1st last year followed by a final table would by the greatest accomplishment in poker history, in my opinion.

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[scott8]

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185 people enter today. Play starts at noon.

Here are some names to keep an eye on:

Place Poker Player Chip Count
1 Greg "Fossil Man" Raymer $ 1,064,000

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It will be a huge shock if he doesn't make the final table with where he stands now. 1st last year followed by a final table would by the greatest accomplishment in poker history, in my opinion.

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Still way too early for this kind of statement.

[NYCNative]

1 Greg Raymer $ 1,064,000
7 Phil Ivey $ 722,500
31 Howard Lederer $ 496,500
39 Mike Matusow $ 454,000
79 Jason Lester $ 280,000
123 Lee Watkinson $ 181,000
165 Dutch Boyd $ 92,000
179 Paul L Darden, Jr. $ 60,000

I dislike Boyd but I'd still enjoy this final table.

[DrunkIrish05]

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185 people enter today. Play starts at noon.

Here are some names to keep an eye on:

Place Poker Player Chip Count
1 Greg "Fossil Man" Raymer $ 1,064,000

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It will be a huge shock if he doesn't make the final table with where he stands now. 1st last year followed by a final table would by the greatest accomplishment in poker history, in my opinion.

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chances are still against him to make the final table, to say it would be a huge shock for him not to make it is absurd

[BigBluffer]

Just curious - how did Fossilman get his entry this year?
Sponsored by Poker Stars?
Won an online tourney? If so, what was the entry fee?
Paid his own way (with or without investors)?

I agree with what others are saying here. Just the fact that he is the chip leader after Day 3 is absolutely mind boggling. To even think that he (or anyone) can win back-to-back Championships against 2600+ and 5600+ -- words fail. Granted, the quality of 5000 of those 5600 is somewhat questionable, but still ....

[Porcupine]

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Go Greg!

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Saw Greg at the Pokerstars booth (WSOP Lifestyle Show) Friday. As usual, he was being a great ambassador for poker.

[DangerGoodson]

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185 people enter today. Play starts at noon.

Here are some names to keep an eye on:

Place Poker Player Chip Count
1 Greg "Fossil Man" Raymer $ 1,064,000

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It will be a huge shock if he doesn't make the final table with where he stands now. 1st last year followed by a final table would by the greatest accomplishment in poker history, in my opinion.

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Still way too early for this kind of statement.

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In my opinion I don't think so, The way he worked his stack last year showed me he is one of the best big stack poker players in the game, to me this gives him a huge chance at making the final table. Anyway I guess I should take away the word "shock" and say I would be suprised if he didn't make the final table.

[Pocket Trips]

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I was thinking a couple hours ago, if it comes down to those two Friday night, I really believe ESPN'd postpone it for a day or two to hype it & try to make some money off it.



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you do realize this tournament is being aired on tape delay right?????

Please explain to me how ESPN is going to make more money by "hyping" a final table that won't air until 4 months after it happens????????

[cwsiggy]

His name was on the list of 1000+ qualifiers which to me means he won via one of the sats, most likely the double shootout. Unless Stars just stuck his name on that list for marketing purposes, he won via a sat.

[DrunkIrish05]

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His name was on the list of 1000+ qualifiers which to me means he won via one of the sats, most likely the double shootout. Unless Stars just stuck his name on that list for marketing purposes, he won via a sat.

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I really think i remember seeing his name in the cash qualifiers list on stars pretty early on. Maybe stars put it there, but it would make alot more sense that he qualified in an early shootout.

[cwsiggy]

Actually his name wasn't on the list till at least 500 were already on it, so I'm pretty sure he won a sat. That's how I remember it anyhow. Seems those double shootouts are by far the best way for "pros" to win in. They are basically freerolls after winning the first table.

[cwsiggy]

Don't think Ivey has been there yet. I'm sure they will put Raymer there. Lederer was there twice yesterday so doubtful he will be there. Matusow for sure. Boyd? hopefully not!

[BlackAces]

I imagine 144 will be the feature table to start the day -- Ivey, Juanda, Bonyadi and CK Hua are all there.

ABESAMIS ANTONIO T. Table 121 Seat 9
ALAEI DANIEL Table 143 Seat 7
ALSANCAK AYHAN R. Table 132 Seat 4
AWAD HANI Table 121 Seat 2
BANKS GLYN W. Table 125 Seat 1
BARCH JOHN D. Table 136 Seat 3
BARTHOLOMEW SHANE Table 120 Seat 5
BEEVERS JOSEPH C. Table 143 Seat 4
BERGSDORF DANIEL Table 126 Seat 8
BERRY JOE Table 134 Seat 3
BILNEY SARAH L. Table 122 Seat 6
BLACK ANDREW F. Table 143 Seat 6
BLANTON SEAN Table 145 Seat 9
BONYADI FARZAD Table 144 Seat 6
BOYD RUSSELL AARON Table 129 Seat 9
BROOKS RANDAL H. Table 136 Seat 6
BROSIUS ADAM S. Table 126 Seat 7
BROWN JOHN R. Table 120 Seat 9
BRYAN MARK Table 145 Seat 8
BURT TERRENCE R. Table 129 Seat 4
BUTAN RADU Table 126 Seat 5
BUTT JAMES Table 125 Seat 6
CALDWELL FRANKLIN D. Table 122 Seat 2
CALVO LUIS Table 123 Seat 4
CANTOR CLIFFORD Table 134 Seat 9
CAPENER MICHAEL L. Table 142 Seat 3
CASSAVETTES NICHOLAS Table 118 Seat 7
CEDERCRANTZ MARTIN HANS Table 126 Seat 1
CHIOSIE JOSEPH Table 143 Seat 2
CHRISTENSEN CASPER R. Table 128 Seat 6
CLARK THOMAS Table 118 Seat 9
COLE MARK Table 126 Seat 9
CONNOR JOSEPH R. Table 127 Seat 7
CRIBB MICHAEL A. Table 142 Seat 1
DANNENMANN STEVEN P. Table 134 Seat 6
DARDEN PAUL Table 145 Seat 4
DAULAT SEAN Table 127 Seat 9
DEETZ STEPHEN Table 143 Seat 5
DEL GROSSO MARCELLO Table 136 Seat 9
DICKSON GEORGE Table 119 Seat 4
DIETRICH ALEXANDER H. Table 122 Seat 7
DIX DEREK Table 138 Seat 8
DOLLISON KUM NAN Table 138 Seat 4
DROTLEFF THOMAS Table 123 Seat 5
DROZDOWSKI CHRIS G. Table 123 Seat 7
EIDELMAN DMITRITY Table 123 Seat 2
FISHER PAUL Table 134 Seat 5
FITZGERALD MATT Table 129 Seat 8
FITZPATRICK 2 MATTHEW M. Table 124 Seat 7
FLISBERG NIKLAS E Table 121 Seat 1
FORRESTER MARK Table 134 Seat 1
FRIEDMAN ADAM Table 128 Seat 8
GEHRING DOUGLAS FREDERICK Table 131 Seat 5
GEIGER JEFFREY Table 118 Seat 2
GIBSON NICK Table 125 Seat 4
GRACE JOHN Table 131 Seat 4
GRAVES MARK Table 122 Seat 5
HACHEM JOSEPH Table 132 Seat 8
HAMILTON JR. RUSSELL W. Table 131 Seat 1
HAYDEN PATRICK Table 125 Seat 5
HEDLUND PETER M. Table 145 Seat 2
HERNANDEZ FRANK L. Table 131 Seat 6
HILDEBRAND PER Table 122 Seat 8
HILL ANTHONY Table 124 Seat 5
HIRSCH YAKOV Table 121 Seat 5
HOELLEIN JON C. Table 136 Seat 4
HOTCHANDANI BOB Table 132 Seat 9
HOWARD JOHNNY L. Table 123 Seat 6
HUA CAN KIM Table 144 Seat 7
HUBER GEORGE THOMAS Table 145 Seat 5
ISREALASHVILI ROLAND Table 127 Seat 6
IVEY PHIL Table 144 Seat 4
JAMES KENNA S. Table 142 Seat 8
JOERGENSEN JARL Table 122 Seat 3
JUANDA JOHNSON Table 144 Seat 5
KAIKKO KEVIN Table 119 Seat 5
KALMAR JONATHAN Table 125 Seat 2
KANG WEBBER L. Table 121 Seat 6
KANTER AARON P. Table 120 Seat 8
KAPLAN JASON D. Table 132 Seat 1
KESSLER MICHAEL D Table 129 Seat 2
KIM KEVIN H. Table 124 Seat 1
KING BRYANT S. Table 138 Seat 1
KIRSCH RICHARD Table 129 Seat 5
KLEIN MITCHELL Table 125 Seat 3
KONDRACKI BRADLEY Table 129 Seat 6
KORAL THOMAS Table 142 Seat 7
LA HUNG V. Table 131 Seat 8
LANE JON Table 128 Seat 7
LAPWOOD RICHARD Table 132 Seat 2
LARSEN ROBERT Table 131 Seat 7
LAUGHING JR. ANTHONY Table 126 Seat 2
LAW BOBBY W. Table 144 Seat 3
LAZAR SCOTT A. Table 126 Seat 3
LEAHY MICHAEL Table 118 Seat 4
LEDERER HOWARD Table 122 Seat 4
LEE BERNARD Table 132 Seat 6
LEIBMAN JOE Table 125 Seat 9
LESTER JASON N. Table 134 Seat 2
LINDENBERG BJORN B. Table 127 Seat 5
LOPEZ KARLO Table 144 Seat 8
LOUIS LO Table 122 Seat 9
MADDEN PATRICK W. Table 127 Seat 2
MANNETTA PAUL Table 126 Seat 6
MARX STEVEN Table 136 Seat 2
MATUSOW MICHAEL Table 143 Seat 1
MAY MICHAEL Table 132 Seat 3
MCCARTHY KEVIN N. Table 132 Seat 7
MCLAUGHLIN JOHN Table 138 Seat 3
MENECHELLA CARMEN Table 142 Seat 2
MINAYA MANELIC Table 138 Seat 6
MINH LY T. Table 145 Seat 6
MINTER JAKE I Table 120 Seat 7
MOLLOY MICHAEL Table 145 Seat 1
MORALES ALEX Table 129 Seat 3
MYERS TERRY D. Table 138 Seat 9
NELSON KRYSTAL Table 118 Seat 3
NUMOTO SCOTT CHITOSHI Table 122 Seat 1
OBRIEN FRANCIS W. Table 134 Seat 4
OBRIEN KEVIN P Table 132 Seat 5
OLSON JAMES Table 128 Seat 2
PACHECO ALEJANDRO Table 119 Seat 3
PAPPAS JOHN Table 127 Seat 1
PARDEY RODNEY Table 142 Seat 5
PELLEGRINI EDWARD V. Table 120 Seat 1
PERRY RAFAEL L. Table 125 Seat 8
PHAN TIM Table 138 Seat 7
PHAPHONE KIT Table 124 Seat 8
PIRONE ANTHONY R. Table 145 Seat 3
PLASTIK DAVID Table 131 Seat 3
PNIAK TOM Table 127 Seat 3
PODLEWSKI CHRIS Table 129 Seat 1
POLLACK JAMES L. Table 125 Seat 7
PRAESTTUN KJETIL Table 143 Seat 8
PRAGER JOSH Table 120 Seat 2
PRUGH LARRY A. Table 123 Seat 9
RAYMER GREGORY Table 119 Seat 9
RAZI BABAK Table 142 Seat 9
RICE GREGORY B. Table 143 Seat 9
RICHARDSON DAVID Table 145 Seat 7
RICHARDSON ERICK Table 138 Seat 2
RODRIGUEZ JOSE M. Table 124 Seat 3
ROUPE THOMAS A. Table 118 Seat 1
SALTNES ESPEN Table 134 Seat 7
SALZER RUSSELL Table 127 Seat 8
SAMOUNA IMAD Table 121 Seat 7
SANDER AMIT Table 127 Seat 4
SARTORI THOMAS A. Table 128 Seat 3
SAVELKOUL DENNIS Table 136 Seat 5
SHABOT YOM TOV Table 124 Seat 2
SHAK DANIEL L. Table 119 Seat 8
SHAKHTOOR SAMIR LM Table 119 Seat 7
SHANEBERGER TOM Table 136 Seat 8
SHEIKHAN SHAHRAM Table 118 Seat 6
SHLEZ VADIM Table 123 Seat 3
SHORT CHRISTOPHER T. Table 120 Seat 4
SILOW OSKAR P. Table 124 Seat 4
SIMMONS JR JOSEPH F. Table 126 Seat 4
SINGER ALAN Table 144 Seat 1
STEIRMAN DAVID J. Table 136 Seat 1
STELLWAGEN BRYAN Table 118 Seat 5
STILLMAN JOSEPH Table 120 Seat 6
TATE CONOR C. Table 123 Seat 8
TENNEFOS DARRYL S. Table 131 Seat 2
TENNER MARK Table 142 Seat 6
THORN RAYMI Table 131 Seat 9
TOTH JOSEPH J Table 138 Seat 5
TRAN JUSTIN Table 123 Seat 1
TURNER ROBERT Table 142 Seat 4
VANNATA JOSEPH Table 119 Seat 1
VICARY PAUL Table 120 Seat 3
VU TUAN ANH Table 121 Seat 8
WALLS GABE Table 124 Seat 9
WANG BING Table 144 Seat 2
WARD ERNEST J. Table 118 Seat 8
WARE RON R. Table 128 Seat 4
WATANABE GEN Table 119 Seat 2
WATKINSON LEE H. Table 136 Seat 7
WATTEL MICHAEL J. Table 134 Seat 8
WIESNER BRETT Table 128 Seat 9
WILLIAMSON TIFFANY Table 129 Seat 7
WOOLF DUSTIN Table 143 Seat 3
WRIGHT KEVIN Table 128 Seat 5
YOUSEFZADEH MEHRDAD Table 121 Seat 3
ZOUDO KHALID M. Table 124 Seat 6

[BlackRain]

Jaw dropping to see Raymer in the chip lead. Truly extroadinary. Nice to see a lot of other big names still around. Looks like Ivey make quite a move yesterday?

[SunOfaJack]

I hope Raymer does make it to the final table. What an awesome ME he is having. Truly excellent.

However to say you would expect him to be at final table is naive. Average stack at final table will be about 6 million in chips. There is a long way to go. More precisely what would be the fair odd/line for him making it. I would guess at absolute best, it would be 4 to 1. My hunch is it would be higher, but without any mathematics I'd be confident in 4 to 1 as being the ceiling on this line.

[RiverFenix]

I hope when Matusow loses he cries for the camera again

[BlackRain]

I'm not sure if Raymer won a stars sat but the poster who said he didn't win it early on was right. I remember watching him in a failed attempt when 500+ cash qualifiers were already on the list.

[BlackAces]

[ QUOTE ]
I hope when Matusow loses he cries for the camera again

[/ QUOTE ]
Nah, he's probably amazed he got this far, given how much he's been bitching all tournament long about the luck factor.

[West]

Ivey and Juanda at same table it looks like, with Farzad Bonyadi and Can Kim Hua for good measure

[West]

Just noticed that Ivey has all three of the above mentioned players directly to his left, if I'm not mistaken.

[Walter Pullis]

Is it too early to plan a "final table" stategy? Yes, I know he
will be trying to win it all, but even 9th place assures him $1m and a definite high place in the poker "pecking order". This would especially be significant given the rumors of high level invitational tournaments down the road.

[Gamblor]

Meaning, Fossilman has our full and dedicated support and others need not apply?

Considering the amount of help and advice fossilman has given me and most of this forum over the last 3-4 years I'd say he deserves it.

[PITTM]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
185 people enter today. Play starts at noon.

Here are some names to keep an eye on:

Place Poker Player Chip Count
1 Greg "Fossil Man" Raymer $ 1,064,000

[/ QUOTE ]

It will be a huge shock if he doesn't make the final table with where he stands now. 1st last year followed by a final table would by the greatest accomplishment in poker history, in my opinion.

[/ QUOTE ]

Still way too early for this kind of statement.

[/ QUOTE ]


In my opinion I don't think so, The way he worked his stack last year showed me he is one of the best big stack poker players in the game, to me this gives him a huge chance at making the final table. Anyway I guess I should take away the word "shock" and say I would be suprised if he didn't make the final table.

[/ QUOTE ]

no no no, it IS still way too early for this type of statement. you realize that getting through 185 great players, even with a giant stack will take a tremendous effort. have we decided how many chips it will take to reach the final table yet? 10 million? 20 million? there are more than enough bumps along the way to knock him off course. of course i have serious confidence greg is more than a good enough player to continue dominating this field. everyone ive seen in the last 24 hours i wanted to tell them what a great accomplishment was going on and how history is being made. IF greg makes the final table we can just stop talking about greatest accomplishments in the world series, because no one else would be close. but would it be a "huge shock" if he didnt make the final table? no no no.

rj

[memphis57]

Thanks for the list blackaces, here it is resorted in case anybody else wants to browse over who's sitting together.

Table 118 Seat 1 ROUPE THOMAS A.
Table 118 Seat 2 GEIGER JEFFREY
Table 118 Seat 3 NELSON KRYSTAL
Table 118 Seat 4 LEAHY MICHAEL
Table 118 Seat 5 STELLWAGEN BRYAN
Table 118 Seat 6 SHEIKHAN SHAHRAM
Table 118 Seat 7 CASSAVETTES NICHOLAS
Table 118 Seat 8 WARD ERNEST J.
Table 118 Seat 9 CLARK THOMAS
Table 119 Seat 1 VANNATA JOSEPH
Table 119 Seat 2 WATANABE GEN
Table 119 Seat 3 PACHECO ALEJANDRO
Table 119 Seat 4 DICKSON GEORGE
Table 119 Seat 5 KAIKKO KEVIN
Table 119 Seat 7 SHAKHTOOR SAMIR LM
Table 119 Seat 8 SHAK DANIEL L.
Table 119 Seat 9 RAYMER GREGORY
Table 120 Seat 1 PELLEGRINI EDWARD V.
Table 120 Seat 2 PRAGER JOSH
Table 120 Seat 3 VICARY PAUL
Table 120 Seat 4 SHORT CHRISTOPHER T.
Table 120 Seat 5 BARTHOLOMEW SHANE
Table 120 Seat 6 STILLMAN JOSEPH
Table 120 Seat 7 MINTER JAKE I
Table 120 Seat 8 KANTER AARON P.
Table 120 Seat 9 BROWN JOHN R.
Table 121 Seat 1 FLISBERG NIKLAS E
Table 121 Seat 2 AWAD HANI
Table 121 Seat 3 YOUSEFZADEH MEHRDAD
Table 121 Seat 5 HIRSCH YAKOV
Table 121 Seat 6 KANG WEBBER L.
Table 121 Seat 7 SAMOUNA IMAD
Table 121 Seat 8 VU TUAN ANH
Table 121 Seat 9 ABESAMIS ANTONIO T.
Table 122 Seat 1 NUMOTO SCOTT CHITOSHI
Table 122 Seat 2 CALDWELL FRANKLIN D.
Table 122 Seat 3 JOERGENSEN JARL
Table 122 Seat 4 LEDERER HOWARD
Table 122 Seat 5 GRAVES MARK
Table 122 Seat 6 BILNEY SARAH L.
Table 122 Seat 7 DIETRICH ALEXANDER H.
Table 122 Seat 8 HILDEBRAND PER
Table 122 Seat 9 LOUIS LO
Table 123 Seat 1 TRAN JUSTIN
Table 123 Seat 2 EIDELMAN DMITRITY
Table 123 Seat 3 SHLEZ VADIM
Table 123 Seat 4 CALVO LUIS
Table 123 Seat 5 DROTLEFF THOMAS
Table 123 Seat 6 HOWARD JOHNNY L.
Table 123 Seat 7 DROZDOWSKI CHRIS G.
Table 123 Seat 8 TATE CONOR C.
Table 123 Seat 9 PRUGH LARRY A.
Table 124 Seat 1 KIM KEVIN H.
Table 124 Seat 2 SHABOT YOM TOV
Table 124 Seat 3 RODRIGUEZ JOSE M.
Table 124 Seat 4 SILOW OSKAR P.
Table 124 Seat 5 HILL ANTHONY
Table 124 Seat 6 ZOUDO KHALID M.
Table 124 Seat 7 FITZPATRICK 2 MATTHEW M.
Table 124 Seat 8 PHAPHONE KIT
Table 124 Seat 9 WALLS GABE
Table 125 Seat 1 BANKS GLYN W.
Table 125 Seat 2 KALMAR JONATHAN
Table 125 Seat 3 KLEIN MITCHELL
Table 125 Seat 4 GIBSON NICK
Table 125 Seat 5 HAYDEN PATRICK
Table 125 Seat 6 BUTT JAMES
Table 125 Seat 7 POLLACK JAMES L.
Table 125 Seat 8 PERRY RAFAEL L.
Table 125 Seat 9 LEIBMAN JOE
Table 126 Seat 1 CEDERCRANTZ MARTIN HANS
Table 126 Seat 2 LAUGHING JR. ANTHONY
Table 126 Seat 3 LAZAR SCOTT A.
Table 126 Seat 4 SIMMONS JR JOSEPH F.
Table 126 Seat 5 BUTAN RADU
Table 126 Seat 6 MANNETTA PAUL
Table 126 Seat 7 BROSIUS ADAM S.
Table 126 Seat 8 BERGSDORF DANIEL
Table 126 Seat 9 COLE MARK
Table 127 Seat 1 PAPPAS JOHN
Table 127 Seat 2 MADDEN PATRICK W.
Table 127 Seat 3 PNIAK TOM
Table 127 Seat 4 SANDER AMIT
Table 127 Seat 5 LINDENBERG BJORN B.
Table 127 Seat 6 ISREALASHVILI ROLAND
Table 127 Seat 7 CONNOR JOSEPH R.
Table 127 Seat 8 SALZER RUSSELL
Table 127 Seat 9 DAULAT SEAN
Table 128 Seat 2 OLSON JAMES
Table 128 Seat 3 SARTORI THOMAS A.
Table 128 Seat 4 WARE RON R.
Table 128 Seat 5 WRIGHT KEVIN
Table 128 Seat 6 CHRISTENSEN CASPER R.
Table 128 Seat 7 LANE JON
Table 128 Seat 8 FRIEDMAN ADAM
Table 128 Seat 9 WIESNER BRETT
Table 129 Seat 1 PODLEWSKI CHRIS
Table 129 Seat 2 KESSLER MICHAEL D
Table 129 Seat 3 MORALES ALEX
Table 129 Seat 4 BURT TERRENCE R.
Table 129 Seat 5 KIRSCH RICHARD
Table 129 Seat 6 KONDRACKI BRADLEY
Table 129 Seat 7 WILLIAMSON TIFFANY
Table 129 Seat 8 FITZGERALD MATT
Table 129 Seat 9 BOYD RUSSELL AARON
Table 131 Seat 1 HAMILTON JR. RUSSELL W.
Table 131 Seat 2 TENNEFOS DARRYL S.
Table 131 Seat 3 PLASTIK DAVID
Table 131 Seat 4 GRACE JOHN
Table 131 Seat 5 GEHRING DOUGLAS FREDERICK
Table 131 Seat 6 HERNANDEZ FRANK L.
Table 131 Seat 7 LARSEN ROBERT
Table 131 Seat 8 LA HUNG V.
Table 131 Seat 9 THORN RAYMI
Table 132 Seat 1 KAPLAN JASON D.
Table 132 Seat 2 LAPWOOD RICHARD
Table 132 Seat 3 MAY MICHAEL
Table 132 Seat 4 ALSANCAK AYHAN R.
Table 132 Seat 5 OBRIEN KEVIN P
Table 132 Seat 6 LEE BERNARD
Table 132 Seat 7 MCCARTHY KEVIN N.
Table 132 Seat 8 HACHEM JOSEPH
Table 132 Seat 9 HOTCHANDANI BOB
Table 134 Seat 1 FORRESTER MARK
Table 134 Seat 2 LESTER JASON N.
Table 134 Seat 3 BERRY JOE
Table 134 Seat 4 OBRIEN FRANCIS W.
Table 134 Seat 5 FISHER PAUL
Table 134 Seat 6 DANNENMANN STEVEN P.
Table 134 Seat 7 SALTNES ESPEN
Table 134 Seat 8 WATTEL MICHAEL J.
Table 134 Seat 9 CANTOR CLIFFORD
Table 136 Seat 1 STEIRMAN DAVID J.
Table 136 Seat 2 MARX STEVEN
Table 136 Seat 3 BARCH JOHN D.
Table 136 Seat 4 HOELLEIN JON C.
Table 136 Seat 5 SAVELKOUL DENNIS
Table 136 Seat 6 BROOKS RANDAL H.
Table 136 Seat 7 WATKINSON LEE H.
Table 136 Seat 8 SHANEBERGER TOM
Table 136 Seat 9 DEL GROSSO MARCELLO
Table 138 Seat 1 KING BRYANT S.
Table 138 Seat 2 RICHARDSON ERICK
Table 138 Seat 3 MCLAUGHLIN JOHN
Table 138 Seat 4 DOLLISON KUM NAN
Table 138 Seat 5 TOTH JOSEPH J
Table 138 Seat 6 MINAYA MANELIC
Table 138 Seat 7 PHAN TIM
Table 138 Seat 8 DIX DEREK
Table 138 Seat 9 MYERS TERRY D.
Table 142 Seat 1 CRIBB MICHAEL A.
Table 142 Seat 2 MENECHELLA CARMEN
Table 142 Seat 3 CAPENER MICHAEL L.
Table 142 Seat 4 TURNER ROBERT
Table 142 Seat 5 PARDEY RODNEY
Table 142 Seat 6 TENNER MARK
Table 142 Seat 7 KORAL THOMAS
Table 142 Seat 8 JAMES KENNA S.
Table 142 Seat 9 RAZI BABAK
Table 143 Seat 1 MATUSOW MICHAEL
Table 143 Seat 2 CHIOSIE JOSEPH
Table 143 Seat 3 WOOLF DUSTIN
Table 143 Seat 4 BEEVERS JOSEPH C.
Table 143 Seat 5 DEETZ STEPHEN
Table 143 Seat 6 BLACK ANDREW F.
Table 143 Seat 7 ALAEI DANIEL
Table 143 Seat 8 PRAESTTUN KJETIL
Table 143 Seat 9 RICE GREGORY B.
Table 144 Seat 1 SINGER ALAN
Table 144 Seat 2 WANG BING
Table 144 Seat 3 LAW BOBBY W.
Table 144 Seat 4 IVEY PHIL
Table 144 Seat 5 JUANDA JOHNSON
Table 144 Seat 6 BONYADI FARZAD
Table 144 Seat 7 HUA CAN KIM
Table 144 Seat 8 LOPEZ KARLO
Table 145 Seat 1 MOLLOY MICHAEL
Table 145 Seat 2 HEDLUND PETER M.
Table 145 Seat 3 PIRONE ANTHONY R.
Table 145 Seat 4 DARDEN PAUL
Table 145 Seat 5 HUBER GEORGE THOMAS
Table 145 Seat 6 MINH LY T.
Table 145 Seat 7 RICHARDSON DAVID
Table 145 Seat 8 BRYAN MARK
Table 145 Seat 9 BLANTON SEAN

[uuDevil]

[ QUOTE ]
have we decided how many chips it will take to reach the final table yet? 10 million? 20 million?

[/ QUOTE ]

Average stack at final table will be ~6 million. When someone gets to half that amount, they can start to feel good about their chances to get there.

I hope Greg wins it all. I disagree with those saying that it wouldn't be good for poker. All sports need superstars. Jordan was great for basketball. Armstrong is great for cycling. Greg can be in that category if he pulls it off. Go Greg!

[Daniel Hoerr]

[ QUOTE ]
Anyone posted this about Anna Benson

[ QUOTE ]
CURSES! MET WIFE GETS BOOT

ANNA Benson, the outrageous wife of Mets pitcher Kris Benson, raised a whole lotta hell in Las Vegas last weekend. The buxom former stripper was ejected from the World Series of Poker at the Rio on Saturday for excessive cursing. After serving a 10-minute penalty for dropping the "f-bomb," a violation of tournament rules, Benson returned and asked her dealer, "Does that mean I can't say any other word? I can say c - - t, p - - - y and c - - k, but I can't say f - - k?"

Full article: http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix_u.htm


[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.survivinggrady.com/benson.jpg

FYP

[-Skeme-]

[ QUOTE ]
It will be a huge shock if he doesn't make the final table with where he stands now.

[/ QUOTE ]

Haha wtf not even close.

[Analyst]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
185 people enter today. Play starts at noon.

Here are some names to keep an eye on:

Place Poker Player Chip Count
1 Greg "Fossil Man" Raymer $ 1,064,000

[/ QUOTE ]

It will be a huge shock if he doesn't make the final table with where he stands now. 1st last year followed by a final table would by the greatest accomplishment in poker history, in my opinion.

[/ QUOTE ]

Still way too early for this kind of statement.

[/ QUOTE ]


In my opinion I don't think so, The way he worked his stack last year showed me he is one of the best big stack poker players in the game, to me this gives him a huge chance at making the final table. Anyway I guess I should take away the word "shock" and say I would be suprised if he didn't make the final table.

[/ QUOTE ]

Greg clearly has tremendous skills, especially with a big stack, and has to be one of the favorites to make the final table at this point, but it would still be a "surprise"; I'd say well less than 50-50 to make it, even as good as Raymer is. All it takes is a couple of hands being on the wrong end of AA-KK, AA-TT, etc., and you're stuck with a below average stack and an uphill climb.

[TylerD]

[ QUOTE ]
It will be a huge shock if he does make the final table with where he stands now.

[/ QUOTE ]

FYP.

Greg's a great player, but making the final table in a world class field with 185 players left would be an outstanding acheivement and a big shock.

[Jbrochu]

[ QUOTE ]
Saw Greg at the Pokerstars booth (WSOP Lifestyle Show) Friday. As usual, he was being a great ambassador for poker.

[/ QUOTE ]

I was fortunate enough to play with Greg at the final table of a super sat (Foxwoods Act III) this past Spring, and he was not only very funny, but seemed to me to be an overall really nice guy with no hint of an attitude.

We both qualified for the main event, and I had a chance to thank him for his contributions to 2+2 while they were printing out our winners coupons.

[Laomedon]

I agree it would be quite an accomplishment, however say you were in his shoes as the chip leader with 185 left, wouldn't you be mightily upset with yourself if you didn't at least get within striking distance of the final table?

[idrinkcoors]

According to my math based on Cardplayer stats, the average stack at the final table, (9 handed), will be 6.243 million. Fossilman at just over 1 million still has alot of players to work through to get a spot there. Doubling up 3 times will do it, but only one other player has over a million at this point.

[TylerD]

[ QUOTE ]
I agree it would be quite an accomplishment, however say you were in his shoes as the chip leader with 185 left, wouldn't you be mightily upset with yourself if you didn't at least get within striking distance of the final table?

[/ QUOTE ]

I might be upset, but I wouldn't expect to make it.

[JerseyTom]

Anyone know what the best finish by a defending champ is since Chan won back-to-back in 87-88 (didn't he finish extremely well in '89)?


Thanks,

Tom

[Snoh84]

Phil Ivey sitting next to Mattusow with CK Hua also at the table, should be very interesting to watch

[MyMindIsGoing]

[ QUOTE ]
Anyone know what the best finish by a defending champ is since Chan won back-to-back in 87-88 (didn't he finish extremely well in '89)?


Thanks,

Tom

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes second to Helmuth.

[Laomedon]

I suppose I wasn't all that clear. I understand the level of difficulty involved assuming an average final table stack of ~6 million, what I mean is from a psychological standpoint everyone in Raymer's position right now would be gearing up for the final table. As the chip leader he is obviously in the best position out of the 184 other players to make it, right? It doesn't seem farfetched to assume that failure to make it even moderately close to the final table would be perceived (at least in his own mind) as a wasted effort.

[BlackRain]

I think Raymer himself put his odds at making the final table at around 4 to 1 against in a cardplayer interview last night.

[DesD]

Hi Guys,

I'm down at the Rio and sharing information in these posts with a lot of the spectators and players.

Chip counts are always very useful and regular updates would be appreciated. There is very little info on the floor!!

Greg was in amazing form yesterday and I would be very surprised if he isn't at the feature table today.

I'm entering the $1k NL event so won't be able to sweat the ME as much today...I hope anyway...;0)

Cheers,

DesD.

[autobet]

sounds about right

[Solitare]

Lets say Raymer has 1M against a total chip count of 65M. One might say that Raymer has a 1/65 chance of winning, which is 1.54%.

So his odds of NOT winning are 98.46%. One could then estimate his odds of not getting to final table as 0.9846^9, which is 86.96%. So by this back of the envelope calculation, Raymer has around a 15% chance of making the final table.

But lets give Greg the benefit of the doubt. Lets say he's a pretty good player and the field still has a bunch of internet goofballs in it. Lets double his chance of winning used above from 1.5% to 3.0%. So his chance of not finishing first would be 97%. His chance of not making the final table would be 0.97^9=0.76. Or 25% to make the final table.

How does that sound? 3% to win, 25% to make the final table?

[SunOfaJack]

[ QUOTE ]
I think Raymer himself put his odds at making the final table at around 4 to 1 against in a cardplayer interview last night.

[/ QUOTE ]

Sweet, my 4 to 1 ceiling on his odds was kinda right on! Earlier I mentioned ceiling and felt it was higher but I would favour Raymer's math over my 1 minute of thought while at work,...that or Raymer is in very confident frame of mind, which is where he should be, good luck!

[imported_metrognome7]

What level do you think the blinds will reach before it's all over? Any shot at $500k/$1million? $1million/$2million? I wouldn't be surprised as the average stack when it finally gets heads-up will be ~$28million.

[A-Baum]

What's the starting level of blinds today?

[scott8]

I suggest an entire new thread just for "results" and let this thread remain a discussion thread, so that it would be easier to see whats been going on.

[ThisHo]

Thanks for the resort. Very Helpful!

Why the heck can't the site that posted the seating list offer a "sortable" page that includes chip count? I don't program, but can it be that hard to add 1 more column of data (chip count) and allow viewers to sort by name/table/chip count?

sigh...
ThisHo

[Delphin]

[ QUOTE ]
How did Lederer go from 50k before dinner break to 450k? Nice

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd like to see Greg, Phil, and Howard at the final table. When is the TV coverage?

[RollaJ]

I wish Greg the very best, but there is a benefit of him busting out early too........ he wont be as busy as last year and can get back to more frequent posting of strategy, as opposed to happenings in the poker world.

Either way Id love to see him win again, I like when good things happen to good people /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[PremiumHands]

[ QUOTE ]
I suppose I wasn't all that clear. I understand the level of difficulty involved assuming an average final table stack of ~6 million, what I mean is from a psychological standpoint everyone in Raymer's position right now would be gearing up for the final table. As the chip leader he is obviously in the best position out of the 184 other players to make it, right? It doesn't seem farfetched to assume that failure to make it even moderately close to the final table would be perceived (at least in his own mind) as a wasted effort.

[/ QUOTE ]

You're changing your story a little bit. You originally said that you would be "shocked" if Greg didn't make it to the final table. Everone else has pointed out that he has a long, long way to go and, regardless of his big stack skills, can't even be considered a favorite versus the entire field. I don't care if its Greg Raymer or Tiger Woods . . . when given an even money opportunity, ALWAYS take the field.

He is absolutely a favorite against every other single player (Phil Ivey for instance), and I would be "shocked" if any oddsmakers out there don't have Ramer as their favorite to win the whole thing. Similarly to you, however, I have a feeling that Greg's going to be playing on the last day.

[Rekwob]

after a quick look on thehendonmob.com, it appears no defending champion has finished in the money in the WSOP man event since Chan finished second in '89

[TheMainEvent]

[ QUOTE ]
Phil Ivey sitting next to Mattusow with CK Hua also at the table, should be very interesting to watch

[/ QUOTE ]

Not to mention Juanda sitting to his immediate left...

[Delphin]

[ QUOTE ]
chances are still against him to make the final table, to say it would be a huge shock for him not to make it is absurd

[/ QUOTE ]

Got any ICM numbers to back that up?

[BlackAces]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Phil Ivey sitting next to Mattusow with CK Hua also at the table, should be very interesting to watch

[/ QUOTE ]
Not to mention Juanda sitting to his immediate left...

[/ QUOTE ]
Matusow's at the next table over (143).

[Solitare]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
chances are still against him to make the final table, to say it would be a huge shock for him not to make it is absurd

[/ QUOTE ]

Got any ICM numbers to back that up?

[/ QUOTE ]

Look for my post up a bit.

My rough ICM calc give Raymer a 3% chance to with and a 25% chance to make the final table.

[kgrad5]

[ QUOTE ]
186 James Barber $39,075

[/ QUOTE ]

the urban peasant?

[Drewboy22]

Sweet. I have a prop bet on Raymer to make the final table at 100-1 ($10)
I also have Watkinson (150-1) and Darden (125-1).

Go Greg!!!

[toots]

Go Greg, but hey,

Go Howie!

[SmileyEH]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
186 James Barber $39,075

[/ QUOTE ]

the urban peasant?

[/ QUOTE ]

OMFG I love that guy. Man I miss that show.

-SmileyEH

[Howard Treesong]

Raymer is in a great position: he has 1.0M of the 2.6M of the chips at his table. I'm sure Greg is very aware of the appropriate strategy in this spot, but he has a sufficient chip lead at his table to force at least three of his opponents (Vannata, 84K; Pacheco, 126K; and Kaikko, 122K) to risk every chip they have every time the put one in the pot without undue risk to himself.

I don't know any of the players at Greg's table. If they're rocks hoping to move up the ladder, I'd anticipate that Greg will rob them all blind.

[JTrout]

[ QUOTE ]
According to my math based on Cardplayer stats, the average stack at the final table, (9 handed), will be 6.243 million. Fossilman at just over 1 million still has alot of players to work through to get a spot there. Doubling up 3 times will do it, but only one other player has over a million at this point.

[/ QUOTE ]

"Triple up. Then, double it."

[trevorwc]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
According to my math based on Cardplayer stats, the average stack at the final table, (9 handed), will be 6.243 million. Fossilman at just over 1 million still has alot of players to work through to get a spot there. Doubling up 3 times will do it, but only one other player has over a million at this point.

[/ QUOTE ]

"Triple up. Then, double it."

[/ QUOTE ]

nh

[KneeCo]

I hope the Ivey/Juanda table is picked as the ESPN featured table.

[Kevmath]

MATUSOW MICHAEL 143 1
CHIOSIE JOSEPH 143 2
WOOLF DUSTIN 143 3
BEEVERS JOSEPH C. 143 4
DEETZ STEPHEN 143 5
BLACK ANDREW F. 143 6
ALAEI DANIEL 143 7
PRAESTTUN KJETIL 143 8
RICE GREGORY B. 143 9

Kevin...

[BlackAces]

[ QUOTE ]
Date / Time: 2005-07-12 12:22:00
Title: Daniel Shak Eliminated ($39,075)
Log: Daniel Shak limps into the pot, Greg Raymer raises, and then Shak reraises to $60,000. Raymer thinks for a while, staring down Shak before calling. The flop comes 9c-6c-4c, and Shak moves all in. Raymer looks at the board, looks at his cards, and calls. Shak shows pocket kings (Ks-Kd), while Raymer has Ac-10s (flush draw). Raymer needs an ace or a club to eliminate Shak. The turn card is the Jc, making Raymer his flush, and Shak is drawing dead. (The meaningless river card is the 4d.)


Daniel Shak is eliminated in the vicinity of 183rd place, earning $39,075.

[/ QUOTE ]

[A-Baum]

[ QUOTE ]
Raymer's KK takes down Daniel Shak's A-10, Minh Ly busts two with 77 against AK and AA.

Kevin...

[/ QUOTE ]

Raymer really outta save all his AA and KK for the final table.

[TheMainEvent]

Shak started with 280K, so I guess we can put Greg around 1.35 mil right now...

[cwsiggy]

blinds seem fairly high already. I think they will easily get to below 100 today. Tomorrow may be a short day getting to 27 which should be good for the players.

[paperboyNC]

[ QUOTE ]
Daniel Shak limps into the pot, Greg Raymer raises, and then Shak reraises to $60,000. Raymer thinks for a while, staring down Shak before calling. The flop comes 9c-6c-4c, and Shak moves all in. Raymer looks at the board, looks at his cards, and calls. Shak shows pocket kings (Ks-Kd), while Raymer has Ac-10s (flush draw). Raymer needs an ace or a club to eliminate Shak. The turn card is the Jc, making Raymer his flush, and Shak is drawing dead. (The meaningless river card is the 4d.)


[/ QUOTE ]

According to card player, Raymer beat KK.

[Kevmath]

The blinds are A500/2500/5000. Looks like at least 5 are already gone, at this pace they'll have maybe 70 left going into tomorrow.

Kevin...

[daveymck]

Gutshot clock has the blinds at 3/6k with a 500 ante. 1h19 left at the level.

[Acesover8s]

[ QUOTE ]

Quote:
Date / Time: 2005-07-12 12:22:00
Title: Daniel Shak Eliminated ($39,075)
Log: Daniel Shak limps into the pot, Greg Raymer raises, and then Shak reraises to $60,000. Raymer thinks for a while, staring down Shak before calling. The flop comes 9c-6c-4c, and Shak moves all in. Raymer looks at the board, looks at his cards, and calls. Shak shows pocket kings (Ks-Kd), while Raymer has Ac-10s (flush draw). Raymer needs an ace or a club to eliminate Shak. The turn card is the Jc, making Raymer his flush, and Shak is drawing dead. (The meaningless river card is the 4d.)


Daniel Shak is eliminated in the vicinity of 183rd place, earning $39,075.



[/ QUOTE ]

and then

[ QUOTE ]

Quote:
Raymer's KK takes down Daniel Shak's A-10, Minh Ly busts two with 77 against AK and AA.

Kevin...





[/ QUOTE ]

accuracy shmacuracy

[ohkanada]

At some point later today we should get into the interesting money where each player makes 100k. And at that point the money only gets better!

Ken

[durron597]

[ QUOTE ]
MATUSOW MICHAEL 143 1
CHIOSIE JOSEPH 143 2
WOOLF DUSTIN 143 3
BEEVERS JOSEPH C. 143 4
DEETZ STEPHEN 143 5
BLACK ANDREW F. 143 6
ALAEI DANIEL 143 7
PRAESTTUN KJETIL 143 8
RICE GREGORY B. 143 9

Kevin...



[/ QUOTE ]

Matusow/Neverwin over Phil Ivey, John Juanda, Farzad Bonyadi and CK Hua? I'm happy because I want to see Neverwin resteal from Matusow again and again (Neverwin is two to Matusow's left) but I think Ivey and Juanda's table would be better poker.

[Kevmath]

They went halfway thru level 17 last night, and finishing it to start today.

Kevin...

[Mano]

Dutch Boyd Eliminated
Log: Dutch Boyd is all-in preflop with K-10 and is called by Chris Todlewski with A-A. The board comes Q-J-5, giving Boyd an open ended straight draw. The turn is a K. Boyd can now also hit an A for a chop. The river is the 4s, and Dutch Boyd's busted straight is eliminated by Todlewski's pocket Aces.

[touchfaith]

...and the peasants rejoice

[brassnuts]

[ QUOTE ]
Daniel Shak raises to $20,000 preflop. Greg Raymer reraises him another $25,000, and Shak reraises another $50,000. Raymer calls. The flop comes 9c-8c-6c, and Shak pushes all-in for another $200,000 and Raymer calls. Raymer shows Ac-10s, while Shak shows K-K. The turn is another club, making a nut flush for Raymer, and the river is a heart, eliminating Shak and adding another $300,000 to our chip leader's stack.

[/ QUOTE ]

$50,000? What a horrible reraise.

[Homer]

[ QUOTE ]
Dutch Boyd Eliminated
Log: Dutch Boyd is all-in preflop with K-10 and is called by Chris Todlewski with A-A. The board comes Q-J-5, giving Boyd an open ended straight draw. The turn is a K. Boyd can now also hit an A for a chop. The river is the 4s, and Dutch Boyd's busted straight is eliminated by Todlewski's pocket Aces.

[/ QUOTE ]

How is an Ace a chop?

[BlackAces]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
MATUSOW MICHAEL 143 1
CHIOSIE JOSEPH 143 2
WOOLF DUSTIN 143 3
BEEVERS JOSEPH C. 143 4
DEETZ STEPHEN 143 5
BLACK ANDREW F. 143 6
ALAEI DANIEL 143 7
PRAESTTUN KJETIL 143 8
RICE GREGORY B. 143 9

Kevin...



[/ QUOTE ]

Matusow/Neverwin over Phil Ivey, John Juanda, Farzad Bonyadi and CK Hua? I'm happy because I want to see Neverwin resteal from Matusow again and again (Neverwin is two to Matusow's left) but I think Ivey and Juanda's table would be better poker.

[/ QUOTE ]
The Elegance is no slouch, either.

[LetYouDown]

[ QUOTE ]
Dutch Boyd Eliminated
Log: Dutch Boyd is all-in preflop with K-10 and is called by Chris Todlewski with A-A. The board comes Q-J-5, giving Boyd an open ended straight draw. The turn is a K. Boyd can now also hit an A for a chop. The river is the 4s, and Dutch Boyd's busted straight is eliminated by Todlewski's pocket Aces.

[/ QUOTE ]
Ah yes, the infamous A-A-A-K-Q vs. A-K-Q-J-10 chop.

[Sandwich]

[ QUOTE ]

Raymer really outta save all his AA and KK for the final table.

[/ QUOTE ]

From the other report it looks like Raymer's ATo beat Shak's KK.

[Mano]

Sorry, cut and paste from cardplayer. You would think their reporters would at least know hand rankings and how to read the board.

[housenuts]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Daniel Shak raises to $20,000 preflop. Greg Raymer reraises him another $25,000, and Shak reraises another $50,000. Raymer calls. The flop comes 9c-8c-6c, and Shak pushes all-in for another $200,000 and Raymer calls. Raymer shows Ac-10s, while Shak shows K-K. The turn is another club, making a nut flush for Raymer, and the river is a heart, eliminating Shak and adding another $300,000 to our chip leader's stack.

[/ QUOTE ]

$50,000? What a horrible reraise.

[/ QUOTE ]

that's what i was thinking.

[USGrant]

Quick and consistent updates from CardPlayer so far today. Let's hope they keep it up. I don't see why they should go any longer than 3 minutes per post...sometimes they'll go as much as 15 mins.

[BlackAces]

[ QUOTE ]
Quick and consistent updates from CardPlayer so far today. Let's hope they keep it up. I don't see why they should go any longer than 3 minutes per post...sometimes they'll go as much as 15 mins.

[/ QUOTE ]
If 15 minutes is what it takes for them to actually get one of these right, I'm all for it.

[swarm]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Daniel Shak raises to $20,000 preflop. Greg Raymer reraises him another $25,000, and Shak reraises another $50,000. Raymer calls. The flop comes 9c-8c-6c, and Shak pushes all-in for another $200,000 and Raymer calls. Raymer shows Ac-10s, while Shak shows K-K. The turn is another club, making a nut flush for Raymer, and the river is a heart, eliminating Shak and adding another $300,000 to our chip leader's stack.

[/ QUOTE ]

$50,000? What a horrible reraise.

[/ QUOTE ]

It was horrendus, Raymer had to call just $50,000 (pennies considering his big stack) to see a flop in a $200,000 pot.

The guy completely defines his hand so that Raymer knows he has AA-KK maybe QQ so that he can easily get away if the flop doesn't suit him. When the flop comes all clubs and Raymer as the nut draw with the Ace of clubs easiest call in the book. Guy gave him pot odds the whole way.

[Laomedon]

[ QUOTE ]
Raymer's The Boss:
It seems as if everyone at Raymer's table has seen what's he's capable of and they're allowing him to take down many pots uncontested. However, JC Tran has just been moved to Raymer's table, and currently has position on him, so stay with Card Player to see how things develop.


[/ QUOTE ]

Not surprising...

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

Quote:
Date / Time: 2005-07-12 12:22:00
Title: Daniel Shak Eliminated ($39,075)
Log: Daniel Shak limps into the pot, Greg Raymer raises, and then Shak reraises to $60,000. Raymer thinks for a while, staring down Shak before calling. The flop comes 9c-6c-4c, and Shak moves all in. Raymer looks at the board, looks at his cards, and calls. Shak shows pocket kings (Ks-Kd), while Raymer has Ac-10s (flush draw). Raymer needs an ace or a club to eliminate Shak. The turn card is the Jc, making Raymer his flush, and Shak is drawing dead. (The meaningless river card is the 4d.)


Daniel Shak is eliminated in the vicinity of 183rd place, earning $39,075.



[/ QUOTE ]

and then

[ QUOTE ]

Quote:
Raymer's KK takes down Daniel Shak's A-10, Minh Ly busts two with 77 against AK and AA.

Kevin...





[/ QUOTE ]

accuracy shmacuracy

[/ QUOTE ]

How is this report from pokerwire...

Greg Raymer knocks out Daniel Shak
Daniel Shak was all in on the flop of [6/images/graemlins/club.gif][4/images/graemlins/club.gif][9/images/graemlins/club.gif] with [A/images/graemlins/club.gif][10/images/graemlins/spade.gif] and was called by Greg Raymer who turned up [K/images/graemlins/club.gif][K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif]. The turn came [J/images/graemlins/club.gif] giving Raymer the nut straight to take the pot. Shak was drawing dead and the river [4/images/graemlins/spade.gif] could not help. Shak was eliminated.




Apparently a phantom straight beats an ace high flush....WTF

[slavic]

6000
3000
4500
20000
20000
25000
25000
------
103.5K

Effectively each player has $250K left

What is your perfect bet here? THe 50K reraise allows him to make a pot size bet on the flop which Greg can't draw at if he has a drawing hand. Depending on the report you believe Greg flopped a monster draw which was about all he could call with.

If his stack is lees than half the pot, it's almost unusable post flop, so he would like to be all in preflop, but then again he really can't do that without folding greg.

[swarm]

Everyone called that when they saw the seat assignments. Then he goes and busts one of the bigger competing stacks at his table in the first couple of minutes... not envying those guys at the moment.

A tricky, gutsy player with a healthy stack is needed to slow him down.

[brassnuts]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Daniel Shak raises to $20,000 preflop. Greg Raymer reraises him another $25,000, and Shak reraises another $50,000. Raymer calls. The flop comes 9c-8c-6c, and Shak pushes all-in for another $200,000 and Raymer calls. Raymer shows Ac-10s, while Shak shows K-K. The turn is another club, making a nut flush for Raymer, and the river is a heart, eliminating Shak and adding another $300,000 to our chip leader's stack.

[/ QUOTE ]

$50,000? What a horrible reraise.

[/ QUOTE ]

It was horrendus, Raymer had to call just $50,000 (pennies considering his big stack) to see a flop in a $200,000 pot.

The guy completely defines his hand so that Raymer knows he has AA-KK maybe QQ so that he can easily get away if the flop doesn't suit him. When the flop comes all clubs and Raymer as the nut draw with the Ace of clubs easiest call in the book. Guy gave him pot odds the whole way.

[/ QUOTE ]

Not to mention the gutshot straight draw. Obviously, it's a call either way, but Fossilman was actually a favorite on this flop.

[Laomedon]

Another update

[ QUOTE ]
With the board showing J-10-9-K-7 John Juanda bets $65,000 on the river, into Phil Ivey. Ivey folds and Juande shows him A-Q for the nut straight, winning a $200,000 pot.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd definitely be interested to know what happened in this hand on earlier streets as well as why Juanda thought showing here would be beneficial.

[Mano]

By not pushing preflop, he lets Greg get away from his hand if he misses, and is still pot committed on a scary board. So you stand to lose it all if you are outdrawn, and win less if not. I think it's a clear push.

[LetYouDown]

[ QUOTE ]
With the board showing J-10-9-K-7 John Juanda bets $65,000 on the river, into Phil Ivey. Ivey folds and Juande shows him A-Q for the nut straight, winning a $200,000 pot.

[/ QUOTE ]
Assuming the hand actually played this way...they got one right!

[Slacker13]

Aces were wild.

[eMarkM]

Thomas Roupe 525,000
Jeffrey Geiger 48,000
Krystal Nelson 395,000
Michael Leahy 169,000
Bryan Stellwagen 648,500
Shahram "Sean" Sheikhan 243,000
Nick Cassavetes 348,500
Jack Ward 207,500
Tom Clark 94,500

Joseph Vannata 84,500
Gen Watanabe 271,000
Alejanro Pacheco 126,500
George Dickson 377,000
Kevin Kaikko 122,000
Samir Shakhtoor 414,000
Daniel Shak 280,500
Greg Raymer 1,064,000

Ed Pellegrini 23,500
Josh Prager 225,000
Paul Vicary 265,000
Chris Short 411,500
Shane Bartholomew 659,000
Joe Stillman 249,500
Jake Minter 146,500
Aaron Kanter 503,500
John Brown 85,500

Niklas Flisberg 260,000
Dani Awad 460,500
Mehrdad Yousefzadeh 136,500
Yakov Hirsch 316,500
Webber Kang 206,300
Imad Samouna 7,400
Tuan 'Tommy' Vu 316,500
Antonio Abesamis 237,500

Scott Numoto 376,500
Franklin Caldwell 339,000
Jarl Joergensen 320,500
Howard Lederer 496,500
Mark Graves 154,000
Sarah Bilney 332,500
Alexander Dietrich 159,500
Per Hildebrand 131,000
Louis Lo 169,500

Justin Cuong Van 'J.C.' Tran 259,500
Dmitriy Eidelman 189,500
Vadim Shlez 170,500
Luis Calvo 170,500
Tom Drotleff 41,500
Johnny Howard 910,500
Chris Drozdowski 315,000
Conor Tate 200,000
Larry Prugh 372,500

Kevin Kim 384,500
Yomtov Shabot 427,000
Jose Rodriguez 352,500
Oskar Silow 638,000
Anthony Hill 173,000
Kelly Zoudo 192,500
Matt Fitzpatrick 490,500
Kit Phaphone 150,500
Gabe Walls 655,500

Glyn Banks 144,500
Jon Kalmar 469,500
Mitchell Klein 219,500
Nick Gibson 466,000
Patrick Hayden 233,000
James Butt 542,500
James Pollack 557,500
Rafael Perry 282,000
Joe Leibman 88,000

Martin Cedercrantz 71,500
Anthony Laughing Jr. 192,500
Scott Lazar 264,500
Joe Simmons 245,000
Radu Butan 158,500
Paul Mannetta 240,000
Adam Brosius 86,500
Daniel Bergsdorf 579,500
Mark Cole 224,500

Cliff Pappas 455,500
Patrick Madden 265,000
Tom Pniak 126,500
Amit Sander 109,000
Bjorn Lindenberg 265,500
Roland Israelashvili 289,000
Joe Connor 224,000
Russ Salzer 412,500
Sean Daulat 452,500

James Olson 583,000
Tom Sartori 574,500
Ron Ware 345,000
Kevin Wright 202,000
Casper Christensen 525,500
Jon Lane 585,000
Adam Friedman 166,000
Brett Wiesner 36,000

Chris Podlewski 126,000
Michael Kessler 297,500
Alex Morales 337,500
Terence Burt 550,500
Richard Kirsch 200,500
Brad Kondracki 962,500
Tiffany Williamson 441,000
Matt Fitzgerald 81,500
Russ 'Dutch' Boyd 92,000

Russ Hamilton 365,000
Darryl Tennefos 259,500
David Plastik 342,500
John McGrane 452,500
Doug Gehring 73,000
Frank Hernandez 67,000
Bob Larsen 796,500
Hung La 467,000
Raymi Thorn 595,500

Jason Kaplan 274,500
Richard Lapwood 202,000
Mike May 153,500
Ayhan Alsancak 109,500
Kevin O'Brien 136,500
Bernard Lee 143,000
Kevin McCarthy 251,000
Joseph Hachem 231,000
Bob Hotchandani 627,500

Mark Forrester 440,000
Jason Lester 280,000
Joe Berry 542,500
Francis O'Brien 234,000
Paul Fisher 110,000
Steven Dannenmann 131,000
Espen Saltnes 388,000
Mike Wattel 62,500
Cliff Cantor 159,000

David Steirman 181,500
Steve Marx 679,500
John Barch 590,000
Jon Hoellein 63,500
Dennis Savelkoul 197,500
Randal Brooks 490,000
Lee Watkinson 181,000
Tom Shaneberger 309,000
Marcello Del Grosso 386,500

Bryant King 253,500
Erick Richardson 227,000
John McLaughlin 16,500
Nani Dollison 448,500
Joe Toth 180,500
Manelic Minaya 594,500
Tim Phan 746,000
Derek Dix 178,500
Terry Myers 269,000

Michael Cribb 282,500
Carmen Menechella 370,000
Michael Capener 80,000
Robert Turner 260,000
Rod Pardey Jr. 1,041,000
Mark Tenner 112,000
Tom Koral 132,000
Kenna James 287,500
Babak Razi 123,000

Mike Matusow 454,000
Joseph Chiosie 178,000
Dustin Woolf 127,000
Joe Beevers 173,000
Stephen Deetz 180,000
Andrew Black 257,000
Daniel Alaei 219,000
Kjetil Praesttun 102,000
Gregory Rice 523,000

Alan Singer 217,000
Bing Wang 272,500
Bobby Law 325,500
Phil Ivey 722,500
John Juanda 354,000
Farzad Bonyadi 129,500
Can Kim Hua 404,000
Karlo Lopez 556,500

Michael Molloy 104,500
Peter Hedlund 141,500
Tony Pirone 265,500
Paul Darden Jr. 60,000
George Huber 73,000
Minh Ly 530,250
David Richardson 269,500
Mark Bryan 109,000
Sean Blanton 87,000

[brassnuts]

[ QUOTE ]
What is your perfect bet here?

[/ QUOTE ]

All you can eat, baby.

[superleeds]

I wish I was a bookie

[Klepton]

[ QUOTE ]
Another update

[ QUOTE ]
With the board showing J-10-9-K-7 John Juanda bets $65,000 on the river, into Phil Ivey. Ivey folds and Juande shows him A-Q for the nut straight, winning a $200,000 pot.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd definitely be interested to know what happened in this hand on earlier streets as well as why Juanda thought showing here would be beneficial.

[/ QUOTE ]

juanda and ivey coming from the same site, and also probably being friends, i bet he didn't want ivey to tilt at all, and wants ivey to go up in ranks and make money.

with ~6 fishes at that table, he's saying "don't mess with me when i'm in a pot, lets just take em down together"

[A-Baum]

Why do they get a 30 minute break after only 75 minutes of play? Seems like they are trying to slow things down.

[TimTimSalabim]

[ QUOTE ]
Another update

[ QUOTE ]
With the board showing J-10-9-K-7 John Juanda bets $65,000 on the river, into Phil Ivey. Ivey folds and Juande shows him A-Q for the nut straight, winning a $200,000 pot.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd definitely be interested to know what happened in this hand on earlier streets as well as why Juanda thought showing here would be beneficial.

[/ QUOTE ]

Probably has something to do with it being AQ. I'm sure they had a good laugh about it.

[Kevmath]

[ QUOTE ]
Another update

[ QUOTE ]
With the board showing J-10-9-K-7 John Juanda bets $65,000 on the river, into Phil Ivey. Ivey folds and Juande shows him A-Q for the nut straight, winning a $200,000 pot.

[/ QUOTE ]

From Pokerwire:

[ QUOTE ]
John Juanda made a pre-flop raise to 16k under the gun and was called by Phil Ivey from the big blind. The flop came [10♥][J♦][9♥] and both players checked. The turn came [K♠] and John Juanda made a 30k bet. Phil Ivey called the bet and the river came [7♠]. John Juanda opened the betting once again for 65k and after long thought on Ivey's part, was called. Juanda turned up [A][Q] for the nut straight. Ivey mucked his cards and Juanda too a pot of over 220k.

[/ QUOTE ]

Kevin...




I'd definitely be interested to know what happened in this hand on earlier streets as well as why Juanda thought showing here would be beneficial.

[/ QUOTE ]

[WLVRYN]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Another update

[ QUOTE ]
With the board showing J-10-9-K-7 John Juanda bets $65,000 on the river, into Phil Ivey. Ivey folds and Juande shows him A-Q for the nut straight, winning a $200,000 pot.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd definitely be interested to know what happened in this hand on earlier streets as well as why Juanda thought showing here would be beneficial.

[/ QUOTE ]

juanda and ivey coming from the same site, and also probably being friends, i bet he didn't want ivey to tilt at all, and wants ivey to go up in ranks and make money.

with ~6 fishes at that table, he's saying "don't mess with me when i'm in a pot, lets just take em down together"

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not sure that's the case, as I'm sure Juanda would want to bust Ivey as much as the next player and wouldnt play him soft. I would guess it probably has something to do with Ivey's terrible run with AQ (whether in his hand or his opponents).

[paperboyNC]

According to Cardplayer:

Daniel Shak limps into the pot, Greg Raymer raises.


Another site says Shak raised.. lol

[slavic]

I think it's a clear push.

If I push 250K into a 100K pot what is Greg's action?

ATo is looking pretty darn dominated. Greg need 7:3 to call so anything over 80K or so he should fold. 50K is a little small but a push is wrong.

[Laomedon]

So I suppose Ivey called rather than folded which clears up why Juanda showed...

By the way, I highly doubt that Juanda would play differently against Ivey simply because they're buddies.

[swarm]

[ QUOTE ]
6000
3000
4500
20000
20000
25000
25000
------
103.5K

Effectively each player has $250K left

What is your perfect bet here? THe 50K reraise allows him to make a pot size bet on the flop which Greg can't draw at if he has a drawing hand. Depending on the report you believe Greg flopped a monster draw which was about all he could call with.

If his stack is lees than half the pot, it's almost unusable post flop, so he would like to be all in preflop, but then again he really can't do that without folding greg.

[/ QUOTE ]

By Betting only $50,000 he makes Greg's decision extremely easy. It's obvious you are inviting a call and thus defining your hand as KK or AA.

Greg only has to call 50,000 to see a flop in a $200,000 pot and is getting away from anything unless he flops an Ace, trip 10's or a major draw.

With only 200,000 behind and a pot of 200,000 he is not going to fold if he hits an A or any reasonable draw as it will only cost him 200,000 to win a pot of 600,000.

So

[Klepton]

i'd rather take 100k for free knowing i made the right play

i'd also be happy with myself that if raymer called, i was a ~67% favorite when all my money went in.

[Trainwreck]

...and there was much rejoicing...

...and much laughter at an impossible chop comment...

[CrazyEyez]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
6000
3000
4500
20000
20000
25000
25000
------
103.5K

Effectively each player has $250K left

What is your perfect bet here? THe 50K reraise allows him to make a pot size bet on the flop which Greg can't draw at if he has a drawing hand. Depending on the report you believe Greg flopped a monster draw which was about all he could call with.

If his stack is lees than half the pot, it's almost unusable post flop, so he would like to be all in preflop, but then again he really can't do that without folding greg.

[/ QUOTE ]

By Betting only $50,000 he makes Greg's decision extremely easy. It's obvious you are inviting a call and thus defining your hand as KK or AA.

Greg only has to call 50,000 to see a flop in a $200,000 pot and is getting away from anything unless he flops an Ace, trip 10's or a major draw.


[/ QUOTE ]

Which most of the time won't happen, in which case dude makes 50k more than he would have by pushing.

[Marlow]

[ QUOTE ]
I think it's a clear push.

If I push 250K into a 100K pot what is Greg's action?

ATo is looking pretty darn dominated. Greg need 7:3 to call so anything over 80K or so he should fold. 50K is a little small but a push is wrong.

[/ QUOTE ]

It HAS to be a push pre-flop. Stack size dictates it. Esp against the chip leader. This is an important concept in NL that can get you into a lot of hot water if you don't get it. For other opinions, I suggest you post in the NL or the MTT forums...

Marlow
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[shadow29]

[ QUOTE ]
i'd rather take 100k for free knowing i made the right play

i'd also be happy with myself that if raymer called, i was a ~67% favorite when all my money went in.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ya. And with the board that flopped, Raymer was a slight favorite (52% or so).

[TomHimself]

[ QUOTE ]
So I suppose Ivey called rather than folded which clears up why Juanda showed...

By the way, I highly doubt that Juanda would play differently against Ivey simply because they're buddies.

[/ QUOTE ]i think Ivey folded juanda jsut showed probaly because they are friends and because AQ is IVeys nemesis

[Mano]

Mike Matusow is still at ESPN's Featured Table, but unfortunately he's not sharing a table with Greg Raymer like he was last night. It's also unfortunate that the media can't hear what he's saying. (The players are mic'd, but the audio goes directly to ESPN.) Here are the chip counts and seating positions:


Seat 1: Mike Matusow - $449,500
Seat 2: Joseph Chiosie - $248,500
Seat 3: Dustin "Neverwin" Woolf - $351,000
Seat 4: Joe Beevers - $124,500
Seat 5: Stephen Deetz - $142,500
Seat 6: Andrew Black - $251,000
Seat 7: Daniel Alaei - $116,000
Seat 8: Kjetil Praesttun - $114,500
Seat 9: Gregory Rice - $326,500

[swarm]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
6000
3000
4500
20000
20000
25000
25000
------
103.5K

Effectively each player has $250K left

What is your perfect bet here? THe 50K reraise allows him to make a pot size bet on the flop which Greg can't draw at if he has a drawing hand. Depending on the report you believe Greg flopped a monster draw which was about all he could call with.

If his stack is lees than half the pot, it's almost unusable post flop, so he would like to be all in preflop, but then again he really can't do that without folding greg.

[/ QUOTE ]

By Betting only $50,000 he makes Greg's decision extremely easy. It's obvious you are inviting a call and thus defining your hand as KK or AA.

Greg only has to call 50,000 to see a flop in a $200,000 pot and is getting away from anything unless he flops an Ace, trip 10's or a major draw.


[/ QUOTE ]

Which most of the time won't happen, in which case dude makes 50k more than he would have by pushing.

[/ QUOTE ]

Is $50,000 extra in chips worth risking the $150,000 dollars in the pot after your reraise and the $200,000 in your remaining stack that you will have to put in on a continuation bet. Not to mention it's your tourney life on the line....

He was far better off pushing and hoping that Greg reads him for making a play with AK or a small pocket pair and is actually holding QQ or AK.

He defined his hand and priced in Greg for a chance to crack it. He got what he asked for...

Risking 350,000 to win an extra 50,000... Not smart!

[BlackAces]

Matusow's boss stack? That could get interesting...

[ceramist]

Quick question: When is that FSN FullTilt live game supposed to be on? Would they run it and risk not having Phil and Juanda there?

c

[CrazyEyez]

[ QUOTE ]

Is $50,000 extra in chips worth risking the $150,000 dollars in the pot after your reraise and the $200,000 in your remaining stack that you will have to put in on a continuation bet. Not to mention it's your tourney life on the line....

He was far better off pushing and hoping that Greg reads him for making a play with AK or a small pocket pair and is actually holding QQ or AK.

He defined his hand and priced in Greg for a chance to crack it. He got what he asked for...

Risking 350,000 to win an extra 50,000... Not smart!

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, I feel ya now.

[ohkanada]

1.4 million and a 300k lead. 164 to go.

Ken

[WLVRYN]

[ QUOTE ]
Quick question: When is that FSN FullTilt live game supposed to be on? Would they run it and risk not having Phil and Juanda there?

c

[/ QUOTE ]

Its tomorrow, and they have a full stable of players without those two (assuming they both get through today).

[BlackAces]

[ QUOTE ]
Quick question: When is that FSN FullTilt live game supposed to be on? Would they run it and risk not having Phil and Juanda there?

c

[/ QUOTE ]
It's tomorrow night. I'm sure they have more than anough star power to make it interesting even if those two aren't there.

[Klepton]

Seat 6: Andrew Black - $251,000

sadly, this tool is still in:
http://www.gutshot.com/wsop/wsop2005dev/LIVE/andrewblack.jpg

[Mano]

Date / Time: 2005-07-12 13:53:00

Player Amount Table Seat
Greg Raymer $1,450,000 0 0
Rod Pardey $1,125,000 0 0
Brad Kondracki $1,025,000 0 0
Minh Ly $950,000 0 0
Oskar Silow $860,000 0 0
Webber Kang $850,000 0 0
CK Hua $780,000 0 0
Farzad Bonyadi $775,000 0 0
Bob Larsen $770,000 0 0
Steve Marx $720,000 0 0
Russell Salzer $680,000 0 0
Shane Bartholomew $590,000 0 0
James Butt $570,000 0 0
James Pollack $550,000 0 0
Nick Cassavettes $500,000 0 0
Tim Phan $490,000 0 0
Phil Ivey $450,000 0 0
Scott Numoto $450,000 0 0
Mike Matusow $449,500 0 0
Hung La $444,000 0 0
Howard Lederer $440,000 0 0
Russell Hamilton $420,000 0 0
Matt Fitzpatrick $400,000 0 0
Terry Myers $400,000 0 0
Marcella Del Grosso $380,000 0 0
Louie Calvo $370,000 0 0
Jason Lester $363,000 0 0
Dustin Woolf $351,000 0 0
Kenna James $350,000 0 0
Sean Doulat $350,000 0 0
Manelic Minaya $340,000 0 0
Gregory Rice $326,500 0 0
Ralph Perry $310,000 0 0
David Plastik $310,000 0 0
John Juanda $300,000 0 0
Scott Lazar $300,000 0 0
Yakov Hirsch $300,000 0 0
Mike May $290,000 0 0
Josh Prager $280,000 0 0
Sean Sheikhan $260,000 0 0
Rob Turner $255,000 0 0
Andrew Black $251,000 0 0
Joseph Chiosie $248,500 0 0
Lee Watkinson $240,000 0 0
Joe Toth $220,000 0 0
Cliff Cantor $200,000 0 0
Tom Pniak $200,000 0 0
Babak Razi $140,000 0 0
Joe Beevers $124,500 0 0
Dan Alaei $116,000 0 0
George Thomas Huber $75,000 0 0
Paul Darden $35,000 0 0
Mike Wattel $32,000 0 0

[Mano]

Date / Time: 2005-07-12 14:02:00
Title: Paul Darden Eliminated
Log: Paul Darden goes all-in preflop for his last $17,000 and is called by George Huber. Darden shows 8s-7s and Huber holds A-10. The flop comes 7-3-3, and Daren is the slight favorite. The turn is a 5, and Darden is looking good, but the river is an Ace and Darden is eliminated.

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]
Seat 6: Andrew Black - $251,000

sadly, this tool is still in:
http://www.gutshot.com/wsop/wsop2005dev/LIVE/andrewblack.jpg


[/ QUOTE ]

You're so jealous.

[Kevmath]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Quick question: When is that FSN FullTilt live game supposed to be on? Would they run it and risk not having Phil and Juanda there?

c

[/ QUOTE ]
It's tomorrow night. I'm sure they have more than anough star power to make it interesting even if those two aren't there.

[/ QUOTE ]

In a press release I read (http://tinyurl.com/76fhv) earlier today, they also mention having Brunson, Duke and Hellmuth.

Kevin...

[sexypanda]

[ QUOTE ]
Seat 6: Andrew Black - $251,000

sadly, this tool is still in:
http://www.gutshot.com/wsop/wsop2005dev/LIVE/andrewblack.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Luske needs to smack this guy upside the head.

[Jonathan]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Seat 6: Andrew Black - $251,000

sadly, this tool is still in:
http://www.gutshot.com/wsop/wsop2005dev/LIVE/andrewblack.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Luske needs to smack this guy upside the head.

[/ QUOTE ]

Not at all.....Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

And not Luske's style either. Luske would probably make
him a gift of the "official Luske" shades!

Suerte,
Jonathan

[Paxosmotic]

I didn't even notice Neverwin was still in until he was put at the featured table. Well then, let it be known that I'm now rooting for Lederer, Neverwin, and Raymer, in that order.

[BlackAces]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Quick question: When is that FSN FullTilt live game supposed to be on? Would they run it and risk not having Phil and Juanda there?

c

[/ QUOTE ]
It's tomorrow night. I'm sure they have more than anough star power to make it interesting even if those two aren't there.

[/ QUOTE ]

In a press release I read (http://tinyurl.com/76fhv) earlier today, they also mention having Brunson, Duke and Hellmuth.

Kevin...

[/ QUOTE ]
Wow. Doyle's got his own site and can do what he wants, but I'm surprised Ultimate Bet cleared Annie and Phil to play at a competing site's event.

[Kevmath]

Agreed, but since it's on FSN (which has an Ultimate Bet series of tournaments running), maybe they want the extra publicity.

Kevin...

[PuckNPoker]

[ QUOTE ]
Wow. Doyle's got his own site and can do what he wants, but I'm surprised Ultimate Bet cleared Annie and Phil to play at a competing site's event.

[/ QUOTE ]

What would you rather have if you were a Full Tilt competitor A TV show full of pros all wearing some other sites gear, or a TV show full of pros and some of the pros are wearing your sites gear? It's a win-win for both sides.

[fnurt]

I don't get when it became bad poker to let your opponent see a flop. Presumably, if an ace flops, the guy is going to avoid going broke. The large majority of the time, the guy is going to win an extra 50k; only in rare cases will he lose an extra 250k by letting Greg see the flop. Even in the actual hand, Greg got a great flop and was only even money.

You have to look at these situations in terms of implied odds. If the guy had another 500k behind, yeah it would have been too small a raise. In the actual situation, where he left himself just enough for a pot-sized bet on the flop, it seems pretty reasonable to me.

[shant]

Hua and Ivey

CK Hua makes it $22,000 to go. It's called by the player in seat #3 and Phil Ivey. The flop comes Qh-7s-5d. Hua bets out $55,000, and Ivey is the only caller. The turn is the 3d. Hua bets out $90,000 this time and Ivey calls again. The river is 4s. Both players check. Ivey shows Q-J. Hua mucks, and Ivey wins a $300,000+ pot.

[Toonces]

I gotta wonder how much it must help that Greg Raymer has this exact same experience last year. While I have do doubt that players like Lederer and Ivey have more overall big tournament experience, I contend that playing in the WSOP ME is nothing like any other tournament. No other tournament has ESPN filming every second, the amount of media credentials, the number of spectators, etc. Only Greg has ever played in crunch time for $5 million. Not to mention that Greg was the big stack last time. I bet Greg has a huge advantage on the field, beyond his big stack and relative skill level.

[oreogod]

[ QUOTE ]
Seat 6: Andrew Black - $251,000

sadly, this tool is still in:
http://www.gutshot.com/wsop/wsop2005dev/LIVE/andrewblack.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]


Marcel Luske groupie?

[Klepton]

i seriously hope it gets down to neverwin and raymer

cuz it'll be a flame war on both sites

[BlackAces]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't get when it became bad poker to let your opponent see a flop. Presumably, if an ace flops, the guy is going to avoid going broke. The large majority of the time, the guy is going to win an extra 50k; only in rare cases will he lose an extra 250k by letting Greg see the flop. Even in the actual hand, Greg got a great flop and was only even money.

[/ QUOTE ]
It was a mistake because he allowed Greg to not make a mistake by calling. Greg would have called that bet even if the guy flipped his KK up on the table. He violated the Fundamental Theorem of Poker -- anytime your opponent plays the same as he would if he could see your cards, he gains and you lose.

[touchfaith]

Best hand of the day and nobody posts it...

Cliff Cantor: Out With a Bang ($46,245)
Log: What does a bad beat sound like? Cliff Cantor is all in, and when the river card falls, he lets out the F-Bomb loud enough for the entire tournament area to hear. Since he is eliminated on the hand, the ten-minute penalty is pretty irrelevant. Cliff Cantor is eliminated somewhere between 150-160, earning $46,245.



I would have dropped about 10 f-bombs and then lit up a cigarette (and joint), popped on my headphones and start yelling 'partypoker.com'

THATS a bang.

[fnurt]

[ QUOTE ]
Is $50,000 extra in chips worth risking the $150,000 dollars in the pot after your reraise and the $200,000 in your remaining stack that you will have to put in on a continuation bet. Not to mention it's your tourney life on the line....

He was far better off pushing and hoping that Greg reads him for making a play with AK or a small pocket pair and is actually holding QQ or AK.

He defined his hand and priced in Greg for a chance to crack it. He got what he asked for...

Risking 350,000 to win an extra 50,000... Not smart!

[/ QUOTE ]

Is that really what he did?

First, you're assuming he never gets to double through Greg, he can lose his whole stack but never ever win any more of Greg's money. That's hard to argue in light of the actual hand where it was even money on the flop. Or if the flop is T high, does Greg fold to the continuation bet?

Also, if the flop has an ace, the guy may not plan on going broke. If true, this would make the number of flops where he loses his whole stack relatively low.

It's not so easy for Greg to flop a big hand here. If the amount of the raise is wrong, it's not wrong by a lot.

[BlackAces]

Apparently, K9 vs. TT is now considered a race:

[ QUOTE ]
ESPN Featured Table Update: Joe Beevers Eliminated ($46,245)
Log: Joe Beevers is all in preflop with Kh-9h, up against Joseph Chiosie's pocket tens (10h-10d). It's a race situation as the flop comes Ad-Jh-10d, and Chiosie flops a set to take a strong lead. However, Beevers has a gut-shot straight draw, and he can catch a queen or to stay alive. The turn card pairs the board with the Ah, making a full house for Chiosie that has Beevers drawing dead. (The meaningless river card is the 3c.)


Joe Beevers is eliminated around 150th place, earning $46,245.

[/ QUOTE ]

[teddyFBI]

Anyone get an update on how many players remain??

[Acesover8s]

[ QUOTE ]
Nick Cassavettes $500,000 0 0

[/ QUOTE ]

Anybody know if this is the director? Son of the great John Cassavettes?

[Paxosmotic]

[ QUOTE ]
i seriously hope it gets down to neverwin and raymer

cuz it'll be a flame war on both sites

[/ QUOTE ]
Neverwin's heads up experience will give him a huge advantage in that match-up if their stacks are within 20% of each other, confirm/deny?

[TylerD]

Anyone know how many's left?

[Jonny5]

Date / Time: 2005-07-12 14:35:00
Title: Field Update: 147 Players Remaining
Log: There are 147 players left in the fight for the final table and a first prize of $7.5 million. The average chip stack at this point is about $382,000.

[Kevmath]

[ QUOTE ]
Best hand of the day and nobody posts it...

Cliff Cantor: Out With a Bang ($46,245)
Log: What does a bad beat sound like? Cliff Cantor is all in, and when the river card falls, he lets out the F-Bomb loud enough for the entire tournament area to hear. Since he is eliminated on the hand, the ten-minute penalty is pretty irrelevant. Cliff Cantor is eliminated somewhere between 150-160, earning $46,245.

[/ QUOTE ]

Quote from Cantor
After flopping a set and getting rivered by a flush, Cliff Cantor had this to say "Even donkeys need love."

Kevin...

[swarm]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I don't get when it became bad poker to let your opponent see a flop. Presumably, if an ace flops, the guy is going to avoid going broke. The large majority of the time, the guy is going to win an extra 50k; only in rare cases will he lose an extra 250k by letting Greg see the flop. Even in the actual hand, Greg got a great flop and was only even money.

[/ QUOTE ]
It was a mistake because he allowed Greg to not make a mistake by calling. Greg would have called that bet even if the guy flipped his KK up on the table. He violated the Fundamental Theorem of Poker -- anytime your opponent plays the same as he would if he could see your cards, he gains and you lose.

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly, in matter of fact he virtually did flip his cards up. Greg knows it is KK or AA (leaning to KK because he has an ace), and by having A10 in his hands if an A comes, he can deduce AA and try and trap his opponnent holding KK.

By pushing Greg might make a mistake if he had AK or QQ.

[BlackAces]

[ QUOTE ]
Anyone know how many's left?

[/ QUOTE ]
Looks like 145 with the recent eliminations.

[fnurt]

[ QUOTE ]
It was a mistake because he allowed Greg to not make a mistake by calling. Greg would have called that bet even if the guy flipped his KK up on the table. He violated the Fundamental Theorem of Poker -- anytime your opponent plays the same as he would if he could see your cards, he gains and you lose.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, is that true? Greg is ahead on the flop like what, 1/6 of the time? And the remaining 5/6, the guy picks up the pot including an extra 50k.

Also, talking about it as a face-up situation ignores the fact that Greg will sometimes call the flop bet when he's behind. I think the only way it becomes a mathematical mistake is if the guy plans on pushing the flop even if an ace comes.

[fnurt]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I don't get when it became bad poker to let your opponent see a flop. Presumably, if an ace flops, the guy is going to avoid going broke. The large majority of the time, the guy is going to win an extra 50k; only in rare cases will he lose an extra 250k by letting Greg see the flop. Even in the actual hand, Greg got a great flop and was only even money.

[/ QUOTE ]
It was a mistake because he allowed Greg to not make a mistake by calling. Greg would have called that bet even if the guy flipped his KK up on the table. He violated the Fundamental Theorem of Poker -- anytime your opponent plays the same as he would if he could see your cards, he gains and you lose.

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly, in matter of fact he virtually did flip his cards up. Greg knows it is KK or AA (leaning to KK because he has an ace), and by having A10 in his hands if an A comes, he can deduce AA and try and trap his opponnent holding KK.

By pushing Greg might make a mistake if he had AK or QQ.

[/ QUOTE ]

You can't be serious that Greg is supposed to call if the guy's range of hands is AA or KK.

[TaoTe]

Date / Time:
2005-07-12 14:45:00

Title:
[ QUOTE ]
Lederer Up Against It

Log:
It has come to Card Player's attention that Howard Lederer is joining the list of short stacks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hate to see this.

[Mano]

Date / Time: 2005-07-12 14:58:00
Title: Field Update: 143 Players Remaining
Log: There are 143 players remaining in the field. The average chip stack at this point is about $393,000.

[Freudian]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
i seriously hope it gets down to neverwin and raymer

cuz it'll be a flame war on both sites

[/ QUOTE ]
Neverwin's heads up experience will give him a huge advantage in that match-up if their stacks are within 20% of each other, confirm/deny?

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't think so. There is a difference between cashgame limit HU and tournament NL HU.

[Paxosmotic]

[ QUOTE ]
Date / Time:
2005-07-12 14:45:00

Title:
[ QUOTE ]
Lederer Up Against It

Log:
It has come to Card Player's attention that Howard Lederer is joining the list of short stacks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hate to see this.

[/ QUOTE ]
Why kind of god would allow this? /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Mano]

Date / Time: 2005-07-12 15:03:00
Title: John Juanda On Tear
Log: With the flop showing Ks-2s-2c-8s-Qc, both John Juanda and Carlo Lopez get all their money in on the river. Juanda shows 9s-6s and Lopez shows 6-6. Juanda doubles up to $450,000.

Just a few hands later, Juanda busts the player in seat three when his K-K held up against his opponents A-Q. He's now got about $750,000.

[Moneyline]

Tom Vu still alive, entered the day in 69th place.

"Tom Vu, you a crazy nut"

[Mano]

Date / Time: 2005-07-12 15:10:00
Title: It Gets Worse
Log: As if the table weren't stacked enough already, #144 now houses - Phil Ivey, John Juanda, Farzad Bonyadi, CK Hua, and now Howard Lederer. Gulp.

[A_C_Slater]

Raymer's roll

"That is scary."

Phil Hellmuth had appeared around the featured table and was chatting people up. He does that from time to time. He was talking with Neverwin and walking in between in the ESPN cameras. Someone said, "What about that Raymer?"

Hellmuth looked over the rail where Raymer was sitting in a new custom blue shirt and a stack of chips nearly $1.5 million high. Hellmuth said it as clearly as everyone was thinking it...

"That is scary."




Greg Raymer


And it is. Raymer's style of play is no big secret. He puts reads on people and goes with them, the consequences be damned. If he's pot-committed on a draw, he'll draw, the consequences be damned. And if he has a chance to race (and a stack with which to race), he'll race, the consequences be damned.

Indeed, that is scary.

[Jack Bando]

Is this the same Tom Vu that did 80's commercials about how to go to his seminar to become rich buying and selling houses?

[Kevmath]

[ QUOTE ]
Is this the same Tom Vu that did 80's commercials about how to go to his seminar to become rich buying and selling houses?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, it's that Tom Vu.

Kevin...

[KneeCo]

Two things about table #144

1) Damn is that a bad table draw!
2) What the hell is wrong with ESPN that this isn't the featured table?!!? I can just imagine the producers talking it over:
"Well this table has three of the best players in the world, shouldn't we be filming it?"
"No no no, get me the table with the classless guy whose likely to throw a hissy fit. THAT'S what poker fans want to see! That and of course profiles of the crew!"

[Moneyline]

[ QUOTE ]
Is this the same Tom Vu that did 80's commercials about how to go to his seminar to become rich buying and selling houses?

[/ QUOTE ]

"Have some guts. Come to my seminar and find out for yourself."...

Yes. It is him.

[Jack Bando]

For anyone who doesn't know who Tom Vu is...

http://infomercial.tvheaven.com/tomvu.htm

That shows it all with 2 videos of his commericals. I first heard of him on Loveline (Radio) where Adam Carolla would imitate Tom from time to time.

Thanks Kevmath for confirming for me

[Kevmath]

They'll probably change to this table at the break, the problem is you have to mic them up and a bunch of other stuff that slows a table down.

Kevin...

[Mano]

Date / Time: 2005-07-12 15:24:00
Title: Update From the Field
Log: With approximately 23 minutes remaining in level 18, there are 138 players remaining. That puts the average chip stack at $407,174. An updated chip count has been posted.

[Quake1028]

Player Amount Table Seat
Greg Raymer $1,450,000 0 0
James Butt $1,200,000 0 0
Brad Kondracki $1,100,000 0 0
Rod Pardey $1,050,000 0 0
Webber Kang $950,000 0 0
Farzad Bonyadi $920,000 0 0
Minh Ly $890,000 0 0
Hung La $820,000 0 0
Johnny Howard $800,000 0 0
John Juanda $750,000 0 0
Oskar Silow $730,000 0 0
Russell Salzer $670,000 0 0
Phil Ivey $580,000 0 0
Shawn Sheikhan $580,000 0 0
Mike Matusow $501,000 0 0
Marcella Del Grosso $495,000 0 0
Russell Hamilton $420,000 0 0
Jason Lester $420,000 0 0
Nick Cassavettes $410,000 0 0
Louie Calvo $383,000 0 0
Terry Myers $380,000 0 0
Josh Prager $380,000 0 0
Will O Brien $360,000 0 0
Tom Pniak $340,000 0 0
Sean Doulat $320,000 0 0
Gabe Walls $300,000 0 0
Ralph Perry $300,000 0 0
Yakov Hirsch $300,000 0 0
Tom Sartori $250,000 0 0
Scott Numoto $250,000 0 0
Manelic Minaya $250,000 0 0
Kenna James $250,000 0 0
Lee Watkinson $230,000 0 0
Joe Toth $220,000 0 0
Rob Turner $200,000 0 0
Howard Lederer $200,000 0 0
Scott Lazar $160,000 0 0
Mike Wattel $150,000 0 0
JC Tran $90,000 0 0
CK Hua $20,000 0 0

[TaoTe]

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Date / Time:
2005-07-12 14:45:00

Title:
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Lederer Up Against It

Log:
It has come to Card Player's attention that Howard Lederer is joining the list of short stacks.

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Hate to see this.

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Why kind of god would allow this? /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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A cruel unfair God. Maybe he can make a come back somehow. Satan's help, maybe?

[Paxosmotic]

[ QUOTE ]
For anyone who doesn't know who Tom Vu is...

http://infomercial.tvheaven.com/tomvu.htm

That shows it all with 2 videos of his commericals. I first heard of him on Loveline (Radio) where Adam Carolla would imitate Tom from time to time.

Thanks Kevmath for confirming for me

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I really hope someone goes all in against him and as Vu pauses the guy goes "have some guts, make a decision"

[Sully]

[ QUOTE ]
Exactly, in matter of fact he virtually did flip his cards up. Greg knows it is KK or AA (leaning to KK because he has an ace), and by having A10 in his hands if an A comes, he can deduce AA and try and trap his opponnent holding KK.

By pushing Greg might make a mistake if he had AK or QQ.

[/ QUOTE ]

Dear God.

[TimTimSalabim]

Thanks for the link, I miss those early days of infomercials. The only thing missing is his classic line "there are two types of people in this world, the doer and the loser... which one are you?".

[TimTimSalabim]

I'm sure they figure that Matusow is going out soon, and they don't want to miss his exit tantrum.

[TaoTe]

I pity the other unlucky souls who got stuck at this table. Imagine what they must be feeling. "Gee, I had a nice stack of chips, but now...Ivey just take'em I want to see you win it."

[Kevmath]

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I'm sure they figure that Matusow is going out soon, and they don't want to miss his exit tantrum.

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Not with 750K in chips he won't. [ QUOTE ]
Featured Table update: Mike Matusow walked over to media row and said, "I'm playing the best poker of my life right now."

[/ QUOTE ] (from Dr. Pauly)

Cue suckout... now!

Kevin...

[Quake1028]

Date / Time: 2005-07-12 15:30:00
Title: ESPN Featured Table Update
Log: Here are the chip counts for the players at the ESPN Featured Table:

Seat 1: Mike Matusow - $780,000
Seat 2: Joseph Chiosie - $270,000
Seat 3: Dustin "Neverwin" Woolf - $285,000
Seat 5: Stephen Deetz - $185,000
Seat 6: Andrew Black - $340,000
Seat 8: Tony Pirone - $90,000
Seat 9: Gregory Rice - $535,000

[dirty_dan]

Date / Time: 2005-07-12 15:35:00
Title: Howard Lederer Eliminated
Log: John Juanda and Howard Lederer are both all-in preflop. Juanda has Lederer covered. Lederer shows Ad-Jc, while Juanda shows Ah-Kh. The board comes Kc-6h-3c-7h-9d, and Lederer is eliminated.

[TimTimSalabim]

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I'm sure they figure that Matusow is going out soon, and they don't want to miss his exit tantrum.

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Not with 750K in chips he won't.

Kevin...

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In Mike's case, having more chips probably *increases* his chance of busting /images/graemlins/smirk.gif.

[benfranklin]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Date / Time:
2005-07-12 14:45:00

Title:
[ QUOTE ]
Lederer Up Against It

Log:
It has come to Card Player's attention that Howard Lederer is joining the list of short stacks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hate to see this.

[/ QUOTE ]
Why kind of god would allow this? /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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Lord Var, the god of variance.

[TimTimSalabim]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Date / Time:
2005-07-12 14:45:00

Title:
[ QUOTE ]
Lederer Up Against It

Log:
It has come to Card Player's attention that Howard Lederer is joining the list of short stacks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hate to see this.

[/ QUOTE ]
Why kind of god would allow this? /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Lord Var, the god of variance.

[/ QUOTE ]

I hear he's a real deviant.

[Slow Play Ray]

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[ QUOTE ]
Lord Var, the god of variance.

[/ QUOTE ]I hear he's a real deviant.

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heh. a true "lol"

[Ziggolf]

Unless Ivy gets A-Q and goes all in, then he is done for! /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[jdaddy]

Date / Time: 2005-07-12 15:35:00
Title: Howard Lederer Eliminated
Log: John Juanda and Howard Lederer are both all-in preflop. Juanda has Lederer covered. Lederer shows Ad-Jc, while Juanda shows Ah-Kh. The board comes Kc-6h-3c-7h-9d, and Lederer is eliminated.

[Kevmath]

From voicepoker.com:

[ QUOTE ]
Language problems

Tony 'Tikay' Kendall of blondepoker tells us he was admonished for his description of Sami Farha, eliminated yesterday, saying that he had a '(Brit term for cigarette) in his mouth'. Apparently this is not on the list of masseure services.

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Kevin...

[BlackAces]

[ QUOTE ]
Date / Time: 2005-07-12 15:35:00
Title: Howard Lederer Eliminated
Log: John Juanda and Howard Lederer are both all-in preflop. Juanda has Lederer covered. Lederer shows Ad-Jc, while Juanda shows Ah-Kh. The board comes Kc-6h-3c-7h-9d, and Lederer is eliminated.

[/ QUOTE ]
That's it, Juanda's fired.

[TheMainEvent]

Pretty good tournament from Full Tilt's perspective (and Pokerstars obviously)

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]
Pretty good tournament from Full Tilt's perspective (and Pokerstars obviously)

[/ QUOTE ]

Didn't full tilt give away 10% of their pro's in the WSOP through a few weekly tourneys??? I bet a few people are on edge right now because they stand to make a ton of money off them.

Cool idea and I bet it works wonders for site promotion.

[Klepton]

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Card Player Update Log
Date / Time: 2005-07-12 13:53:00
Title: Wang goes all-in on Butt
Log: With the flop showing Ks-8s-8c-7h-Qc, James Butt leads out for $50,000. Bing Wang comes over the top of Butt, going all-in. Both players show Q-8 and Butt and Wang chop, showing the nuts.

[/ QUOTE ]

1. not the nuts
2. funny as hell

[Paxosmotic]

[ QUOTE ]
Date / Time: 2005-07-12 15:35:00
Title: Howard Lederer Eliminated
Log: John Juanda and Howard Lederer are both all-in preflop. Juanda has Lederer covered. Lederer shows Ad-Jc, while Juanda shows Ah-Kh. The board comes Kc-6h-3c-7h-9d, and Lederer is eliminated.

[/ QUOTE ]
DAMN!

[Kevmath]

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[SomethingClever]

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[ QUOTE ]
Card Player Update Log
Date / Time: 2005-07-12 13:53:00
Title: Wang goes all-in on Butt
Log: With the flop showing Ks-8s-8c-7h-Qc, James Butt leads out for $50,000. Bing Wang comes over the top of Butt, going all-in. Both players show Q-8 and Butt and Wang chop, showing the nuts.

[/ QUOTE ]

1. not the nuts
2. funny as hell

[/ QUOTE ]

I seriously just spewed chips onto my keyboard.

That has never happened to me before in the history of the internet.

[scott8]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Card Player Update Log
Date / Time: 2005-07-12 13:53:00
Title: Wang goes all-in on Butt
Log: With the flop showing Ks-8s-8c-7h-Qc, James Butt leads out for $50,000. Bing Wang comes over the top of Butt, going all-in. Both players show Q-8 and Butt and Wang chop, showing the nuts.

[/ QUOTE ]

1. not the nuts
2. funny as hell

[/ QUOTE ]

I wonder if these "reporters" know how stupid these reports look? Its one thing if they just don't care, but I can just see them now thinking they are putting down gold.