WSOP Day 4: "Official" News, Results, and Discussion

[nyrush]

They did.

[Stephen Gray]

If those numbers were accurate, wouldn't there be a couple of
little updates telling how they lost their chips? Seems more likely that they just put the names in the wrong place.

[MiguelSanchez]

LIVE UPDATE - 2005-07-12 21:55:00 PST:
There was an error in an earlier chip count, showing Phil Ivey at $130,000. That was an error. Phil Ivey has been going strong, and currently stands at $2.1 million in chips. Card Player regrets the error, and we will try to correct that posting....

[lightw1thoutheat]

Date / Time: 2005-07-12 21:55:00
Title: Phil Ivey's Chip Count
Log: There was an error in an earlier chip count, showing Phil Ivey at $130,000. That was an error. Phil Ivey has been going strong, and currently stands at $2.1 million in chips. Card Player regrets the error, and we will try to correct that posting.

[2+2 wannabe]

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My only regret is not betting like $10 on Phil Ivey to win the main event, the Bodog odds were like 250-to-1. Yikes!

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Wow, that's a terrible price.

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yeah it's just barely +EV at that price right now

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Huh? Aren't there like 85 players left? He can't be more than 50-1 at this point. To get 250-1 would be way more than barely +EV.

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With 85 players and the chip lead (or close to it), I'd bet Ivey at about 20-1 or so, maybe a shade less.

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my bad

i thought there were ~150 left - and mr. ivey had just higher than middle stack

i didn't actually mean that it was "barely" +ev - just that the perfect situation has had to happen for this bet to be +ev already 5 days into the tourney

[Stephen Gray]

Ivey is fixed.

[TomHimself]

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Date / Time: 2005-07-12 21:55:00
Title: Phil Ivey's Chip Count
Log: There was an error in an earlier chip count, showing Phil Ivey at $130,000. That was an error. Phil Ivey has been going strong, and currently stands at $2.1 million in chips. Card Player regrets the error, and we will try to correct that posting.

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[Kevmath]

They should just take down the list and start again, they've forgotten Williamson's chips, and I can't imagine Raymer's only at 400k.

Kevin...

[touchfaith]

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...we will try to correct that posting.

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Do they need to take a typing class or something?

I'm guessing if they put their collective minds together, they may be able to fix it...

maybe

[lightw1thoutheat]

i just hope that raymer at 400k is a mistake too.
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[Homer]

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My only regret is not betting like $10 on Phil Ivey to win the main event, the Bodog odds were like 250-to-1. Yikes!

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Wow, that's a terrible price.

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yeah it's just barely +EV at that price right now

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Huh? Aren't there like 85 players left? He can't be more than 50-1 at this point. To get 250-1 would be way more than barely +EV.

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With 85 players and the chip lead (or close to it), I'd bet Ivey at about 20-1 or so, maybe a shade less.

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my bad

i thought there were ~150 left - and mr. ivey had just higher than middle stack

i didn't actually mean that it was "barely" +ev - just that the perfect situation has had to happen for this bet to be +ev already 5 days into the tourney

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Gotcha. You're right that the initial offering of 250-1 was a joke.

[MiguelSanchez]

Raymer still at 400k though, wonder if he is really there? A couple names are a lot higher than the last update.

[Quake1028]

From CP:

We're going to pull down that list, and re-verify those numbers to make sure we're putting out correct information.

[hudat]

pokervoice had Raymer at 1.3m at break per Fossilman himself

[nyrush]

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but the people at card player are idiots! They realized that they made a mistake with Ivy's chip count, but they still have Brian Stelwagan in as well as Raymer with 400,000 and Tim Phan with considerably less. Maybe they want to check the whole list next time.

[cokehead]

"We're going to pull down that list, and re-verify those numbers to make sure we're putting out correct information."

[PokerMatt]

Well, looks like they "fixed" it. Now Ivey apparently has 950,000 according to the chip count page. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif At least they're getting closer.

[TaoTe]

Title:
Phil Ivey's Chip Count

Log:
There was an error in an earlier chip count, showing Phil Ivey at $130,000. That was an error. Phil Ivey has been going strong, and currently stands at $2.1 million in chips. Card Player regrets the error, and we will try to correct that posting.

We're going to pull down that list, and re-verify those numbers to make sure we're putting out correct information.

[Kevmath]

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From CP:

We're going to pull down that list, and re-verify those numbers to make sure we're putting out correct information.

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This is what happens when Belsky's demoted to entering chip counts. Also, the delete this post button really does work, some people may want to use it once in a while.

Kevin...

[brassnuts]

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Well, looks like they "fixed" it. Now Ivey apparently has 950,000 according to the chip count page. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif At least they're getting closer.

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That's the last list they had up. It's from around 9 oclock.

[zipo]

>>We're going to pull down that list, and re-verify those numbers to make sure we're putting out correct information.

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So they have Ivey at 130k when he's at 2 mil. What's a few million checks among friends?

[2+2 wannabe]

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From CP:

We're going to pull down that list, and re-verify those numbers to make sure we're putting out correct information.

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This is what happens when Belsky's demoted to entering chip counts. Also, the delete this post key really works, some people may want to use it once in a while.

Kevin...

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i think a disabled monkey could count and enter chip counts this well

[bolgenmod]

Earlier I read that they would play down to 100 today, but like the previous days, people are going out fast. They're well below 100 already, so does anyone know how late will they play tonight? Thanks.

[Kevmath]

Seat 1: Steven Marx - $1,568,000
Seat 2: Manny Minaya - $450,000
Seat 3: Tom Sartori - $310,000
Seat 4: Ron Ware - $244,000
Seat 5: James Butt - $304,000
Seat 6: Casper Christiansen - $457,000
Seat 8: Adam Friedman - $812,000
Seat 9: Mike Matusow - $2,017,000



Kevin...

[ClintD]

seems strange that they would correct Ivey so publicly but not Raymer. Either means that Raymer really is at 400K or that the ENTIRE list is jacked.

[Kevmath]

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[PokerMatt]

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Well, looks like they "fixed" it. Now Ivey apparently has 950,000 according to the chip count page. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif At least they're getting closer.

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That's the last list they had up. It's from around 9 oclock.

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Ooops.... that's what happens when you have a couple drinks and don't pay attention to everything. Not to nitpick but the list was timestamped 8:45. Thanks for pointing that out to me though. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[TomHimself]

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This will be the last level of the night, maybe.

Kevin...

[/ QUOTE ]kevin your awesome lol

[ClintD]

01:06:35 EDT Ivey get a "free" pot
With the board [5s;][8s Qs Qh. Ivey led out with 60k in a 100k pot. He was called and when the river brought the [6s;], Ivey made it 140k to go. His opponent paused, then flashed [2][2] before folding.

The bonus for Ivey was that the hand was played before play was officially supposed to begin. No one contested the legitimacy of the hand, as the floor was never called.

Play has officially begun now.

[cokehead]

now from cp:

Greg Raymer $1,200,000

[Bill Murphy]

Seat 9: Mike Matusow - $2,017,000

Prolly WTF are the rest of the correct chip counts for everyone left....

[Kevmath]

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This will be the last level of the night, maybe.

Kevin...

[/ QUOTE ]kevin your awesome lol

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Thanks,

This should be the last level, since they're now only 6 tables away from the 27 they want to end at tomorrow to move things over to Binion's. It'd be safe to also assume they'll start later tomorrow (2 or 3pm) to give people more rest.

Kevin...

[rwesty]

Ivey needs 3rd to win ESPN POY, correct?

[TomHimself]

are they doing a ToC again this year?

[Michael Davis]

"yeah it's just barely +EV at that price right now"

Betting on Ivey at 250-1 right now is pretty heavily +EV.

-Michael

[Joe_d72]

Shawn Sheikhan eliminates Jon Kalmar
Shawn Sheikhan made a pre-flop raise to 40k and was called by John Kalmar. The flop came [10c][3c][5d] and Sheikhan bet 100k. Kalmar pushed in over the top and Sheikhan immediately called. The players turned up:

John Kalmar [Jh][10h]
Shawn Sheikhan [Ks][Kh]

The turn [9h] and river [4h] were no help to Kalmar who was sent home.

[Kevmath]

Shane Bartholomew Eliminated
Shane Bartholomew and Joe Stillman both get all their money in preflop. Bartholomew holds J-J. Stillman holds Kd-9d. The flop comes 9-8-6-8-K and Bartholomew's Jacks are elinated by two pair. Stillman comments "How many times am I going to get my money in with the worst of it? I have a problem folding King - Nine, what do you want from me?" He now has over $700,000 in chips.

Kevin...

[sammy_g]

Yep. Chip counts are now updated. Ivey is chip leader with over 2 million. Raymer at 1.2 mil.

[Joe_d72]

Rod Pardey Jr. eliminates Terry Myers
Pardey's [Q][Q] held up over Myers' [A][K] to send Myers home.

[Kevmath]

Yes, top 20 at the WSOP circuit events PLUS the final table of the ME make up the TOC field. To combine with another post, if Ivey finishes 3rd (if the stats on pokerwire.com are right), he wins WSOP POY.

Kevin...

[MrDannimal]

Correct.

FSN is the cable outlet for almost every Major League Baseball team (the Yankees have YES, I think Baltimore and Boston are also oddballs).

In order to show the tourney live on all FSN "channels" (each region has one or more, like Detroit, New York, West 1 and West 2....), when they have no idea when it will end requires that there is no possible conflict with a baseball game that they're required to air. On any given date from April 1-October 1 (give or take) there is at least 1 game. Except for 2 days: The monday before and the wednesday after the All Star Game.

The Full Tilt/Wynn tourney is thus Wednesday, just like the Turning Stone tourney last year was the same Wednesday.

(FSN has similar deals for NBA and NHL teams, which means that they're covered year round so these two days are really the only ones every year a live, unedited tourney can be shown on FSN).

[Kevmath]

They're not really updated, they somehow can't seem to find the two women still left in the event.

Kevin...

[rwesty]

How did Ivey do in the 2004 WSOP main event?

[Kevmath]

81st: Shane Bartolomew - $107,950
The following people all earned $91,950:
82nd: Jonathan Kalmar
83rd: Marcello Del Grasso
84th: Kevin Wright
85th: Richard Zapwood
86th: Webber Kang
87th: Gabriel Walls
88th: Jonathan Lane
89th: C.K. Hua
90th: Brian Stellwagen
The following people all earned $77,710:
91st: James Olson
92nd: Jack Earnest Ward
93rd: Nick Cassavantes
94th: Samir Shakhtoor
95th: Mike Wattel
96th: Joshua Prager
97th: Robert Turner (finished 6th in 94 ME, got 50K)
98th: Thomas Drotleff
99th: Peter Hedlund
100th: Carmelo Menechello
101st: Christopher Short
102nd: Al Laughing
103rd: Alejandro Pacheco

Kevin...

[goofball]

Ivey is HUGELY +EV if you could get him at 250-1 right now. with 2.1M he's sitting on roughly 1/28th of the chips. Puts a zero EV bet on him at around 14-1 imo.

[TomHimself]

the ToC is really a 30 man tourney? was last year the same way also?

[vox]

Last year, they invited 10 "name" players. Annie Duke beat Phil Hellmuth heads-up. Howard Lederer came in 3rd.

[touchfaith]

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Ivey is HUGELY +EV if you could get him at 250-1 right now. with 2.1M he's sitting on roughly 1/28th of the chips. Puts a zero EV bet on him at around 14-1 imo.

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Just to recap...

Ivey @ 250-1 prior to event.... -EV
Ivey @ 250-1 right this min.... +EV

Anyone else need this discussed further?

[Kevmath]

It's 109 players this year (20 per WSOP Circuit event), give or take a few people.

Kevin...

[Bill Murphy]

Only need to be down to 36 by Wed night, no problem.

Plus, along w/the dealers, I'M getting tired... /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[ClintD]

After a solid ME performance last year, and still alive this year, does he rank up there in top runs in history i.e. the respect Harrington got for 03-04? (not saying its on par, but using the same logic.)

[Kevmath]

Two posts from Paulle's blog (should contain errors somewhere):

Tiffany Williamson was born and raised in Columbia South Carolina. She got into this tournament on a website for $72 (40 pounds in England) . She had to win seat in four straight satellines to get here. She plays the smallest stakes in cash and tournaments on her website. She is about as close to a rank amateur as they come. She told a friend, "Phil Ivey touched my shoulder and I felt the power go through me." Bless her heart. As the first woman to ever hold one million in chips (by my guess) she should be acknjowledged. Unfortuantely sitting right in front of John Juanda has taken a toll. Tiff is down to 850k.

Later: Tiffany Williamson, the amateur, just put a world class move John Juanda, the pro. She bet and was raised preflop. She called. On the flop she hemmed and hawwed then checked. John bet 250k. Whereupon Tiff slowily pushed all her chips into the pot. "What are you doing," John asked. "I'm going all-in," Tiffany answered. Juanda mucked and Ms Williamson is back over one million.

Kevin...

[Joe_d72]

1 Kelly Zoudo $ 3,500,000
2 Phil Ivey $ 2,250,000
3 Tex Barch $ 2,120,000
4 Farzad Bonyadi $ 1,900,000
5 Tim Phan $ 1,900,000
6 Steven Marx $ 1,568,000
7 Ray Sanchez $ 1,500,000
8 Greg Raymer $ 1,300,000
9 Johnny Howard $ 1,300,000
10 Joe Stillman $ 1,200,000
11 Patrick Hayden $ 1,200,000
12 Shawn Sheikhan $ 1,200,000
13 Tiffany Williamson $ 1,150,000
14 Brad Kondracki $ 1,105,000
15 Minh Ly $ 1,100,000
16 Per Hildebrand $ 980,000
17 Bob Larson $ 920,000
18 Radu Butan $ 900,000
19 Joseph Hachem $ 880,000
20 Michael Kessler $ 860,000
21 Scott Lazar $ 810,000
22 John Juanda $ 800,000
23 Kevin Kaikko $ 800,000
24 Larry Pugh $ 800,000
25 Kenna James $ 770,000
26 Rod Pardey Jr. $ 770,000
27 Terry Burt $ 740,000
28 Karlo Lopez $ 730,000
29 Jake Minter $ 690,000
30 Oskar Silow $ 680,000
31 Will O'Brien $ 680,000
32 Sarah Bliney $ 680,000
33 Bryant King $ 670,000
34 Lee Watkinson $ 650,000
35 Aaron Kauter $ 640,000
36 Hung La $ 600,000
37 Russ Salzer $ 600,000
38 Andrew Black $ 580,000
39 Bart Rice $ 580,000
40 Roland Isrealashvili $ 580,000
41 D. Caldwell $ 520,000
42 Bernard Lee $ 475,000
43 Louie Calvo $ 460,000
44 Tom Pnaik $ 460,000
45 Yakov Hirsch $ 460,000
46 Alex Morales $ 455,000
47 Jarl Lindholt $ 440,000
48 Jason Lester $ 440,000
49 Derek Dix $ 420,000
50 Daniel Bergsdorf $ 410,000
51 Russ Hamilton $ 410,000
52 David Richardson $ 405,000
53 Bing Wang $ 400,000
54 Terry Myers $ 390,000
55 Jose Rodriguez $ 360,000
56 Vadim Shlez $ 350,000
57 Connor Joe $ 340,000
58 Kevin McCarthy $ 340,000
59 Niklas Flisberg $ 320,000
60 Richard Kirsch $ 320,000
61 Connor Tate $ 310,000
62 Steve Dannermann $ 288,000
63 Ayhan Alsaucak $ 275,000
64 Pat Madden $ 270,000
65 Tony Abesamis $ 215,000
66 John McGrane $ 204,000
67 Dani Awad $ 200,000
68 Nick Gibson $ 200,000
69 Joe Berry $ 200,000
70 Mark Forrester $ 175,000

[SoftcoreRevolt]

What about 45 minutes ago?!

Or in 34 minutes.

What if I could get 248 to 1?!

[Nottom]

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After a solid ME performance last year, and still alive this year, does he rank up there in top runs in history i.e. the respect Harrington got for 03-04? (not saying its on par, but using the same logic.)

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Its a good run, but obviously at this point completely overshawdowed by Raymer.

[Dynasty]

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1 Kelly Zoudo $ 3,500,000


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Card Player has Zoudo at $280,000.

[touchfaith]

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1 Kelly Zoudo $ 3,500,000

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Please tell me he(/she?) got those chips from the mouth.

[ClintD]

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After a solid ME performance last year, and still alive this year, does he rank up there in top runs in history i.e. the respect Harrington got for 03-04? (not saying its on par, but using the same logic.)

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Its a good run, but obviously at this point completely overshawdowed by Raymer.

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Great point, maybe someone needs to point this out so Lester gets the due respect?

[uuDevil]

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Tiffany Williamson was born and raised in Columbia South Carolina.

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I know about 6 people from Columbia, SC. Based on this small sample, she most likely a) is well-mannered, and b) won't take crap from anybody. I hope she makes the final table.

[rwanger]

Where did Mike The Mouth disappear to?

[Kevmath]

Kelly's not at the ESPN table, where Matusow is at now.

Kevin...

[ClintD]

from PokerWire: Alsancak doubles through Lester

Sorry Jason, didn't mean to send the whammy.

[WackityWhiz]

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from PokerWire: Alsancak doubles through Lester

Sorry Jason, didn't mean to send the whammy.

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geez, wtg man

[Kevmath]

From earlier reading on Paulle's blog, he mentioned that she's a rarity: A lawyer that doesn't talk much.

Kevin...

[ClintD]

Only whammy worse than that one is when someone asks me "you play for REAL money on there?"

immediate bad beat. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Tiffany Williamson was born and raised in Columbia South Carolina.

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I know about 6 people from Columbia, SC. Based on this small sample, she most likely a) is well-mannered, and b) won't take crap from anybody. I hope she makes the final table.

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And C) can't read and D) has a cousin named Tequila.

Sorry, a little intra-Carolinian rivalry there.

NT

[Mano]

Date / Time: 2005-07-12 22:50:00

Player Amount Table Seat
Phil Ivey $2,250,000 0 0
Tex Barch $2,120,000 0 0
Mike Matusow $2,017,000 0 0
Farzad Bonyadi $1,900,000 0 0
Tim Phan $1,900,000 0 0
Ray Sanchez $1,500,000 0 0
Steven Marx $1,380,000 0 0
Greg Raymer $1,300,000 0 0
Johnny Howard $1,300,000 0 0
Tommy Vu $1,200,000 0 0
Shawn Sheikhar $1,200,000 0 0
Patrick Hayden $1,200,000 0 0
Joe Stillman $1,200,000 0 0
Tiffany Williamson $1,150,000 0 0
Brad Kondracki $1,105,000 0 0
Minh Ly $1,100,000 0 0
Per Hildebrand $980,000 0 0
Bob Larson $920,000 0 0
Radu Butan $900,000 0 0
Joseph Hatchum $880,000 0 0
Michael Kessler $860,000 0 0
James Butt $850,000 0 0
Adam Friedman $812,000 0 0
Scott Lazar $810,000 0 0
John Juanda $800,000 0 0
Kevin Kaikko $800,000 0 0
Larry Pugh $800,000 0 0
Kenna James $770,000 0 0
Rod Pardey Jr. $770,000 0 0
Terry Burt $740,000 0 0
Karlo Lopez $730,000 0 0
Jake Minter $690,000 0 0
Sarah Blaney $680,000 0 0
Oskar Silow $680,000 0 0
Will O Brien $680,000 0 0
Bryant King $670,000 0 0
Lee Watkinson $650,000 0 0
Aaron Kanter $640,000 0 0
Russell Salzar $600,000 0 0
Hung La $600,000 0 0
Andrew Black $580,000 0 0
Bart Rice $580,000 0 0
Roland Israabshvili $580,000 0 0
D Caldwell $520,000 0 0
Manny Minaya $480,000 0 0
Bernard Lee $475,000 0 0
Louie Calvo $460,000 0 0
Yakov Hirsch $460,000 0 0
Alex Morales $455,000 0 0
Jarl Jorgensen $440,000 0 0
Jason Lester $440,000 0 0
Derek Dix $420,000 0 0
Daniel Bergsborf $410,000 0 0
Russell Hamilton $410,000 0 0
David Richardson $405,000 0 0
Bing Wang $400,000 0 0
Jose Rodriguez $360,000 0 0
Vadim Shlez $350,000 0 0
Kelly Zoudo $350,000 0 0
Joe Connor $340,000 0 0
Kevin McCarthy $340,000 0 0
Niklas Flisberg $320,000 0 0
Richard Kirsch $320,000 0 0
Connor Tate $310,000 0 0
Steve Donnenmann $288,000 0 0
Ayhan Alsancar $275,000 0 0
Casper Christiansen $275,000 0 0
Tom Sartori $270,000 0 0
Pat Madden $270,000 0 0
Tony Abesamis $215,000 0 0
Ron Ware $205,000 0 0
John McGrane $204,000 0 0
Dani Awad $200,000 0 0
Joe Berry $200,000 0 0
Nick Gibson $200,000 0 0
Mark Forrester $175,000 0 0

[Bill Murphy]

Mouth was saying on the break it'll come down to him & Ivey.

http://www.pokervoice.com/pics/iveymill.jpg


Does it suck being 23 w/over $4KK? She wanted a picture, plus he shagged Matador's daughter, remember.

http://www.pokervoice.com/pics/davidwilliams.jpg

[oreogod]

Jesus...matasaow is going to be at every ESPN table. He's not the only name player out there, maybe the loudest, but crap...but put some Ivey on the air.

[Dynasty]

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1 Kelly Zoudo $ 3,500,000


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Card Player has Zoudo at $280,000.

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Kelly Zoudo is eliminated when his pocket 8's are beaten by Ayhan Alsancar's A-Q when an Ace and a Queen hit on the flop.

That 3.5 million sure didn't last.

[Mr_Gordon]

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Mouth was saying on the break it'll come down to him & Ivey.

http://www.pokervoice.com/pics/iveymill.jpg


Does it suck being 23 w/over $4KK? She wanted a picture, plus he shagged Matador's daughter, remember.

http://www.pokervoice.com/pics/davidwilliams.jpg

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Where's Iveys Full Tilt gear at?

[Brain]

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Where's Iveys Full Tilt gear at?

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http://cardplayer.com/imgGal/2005-07/20050712_93_007.jpg

[ismisus]

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Jesus...matasaow is going to be at every ESPN table. He's not the only name player out there, maybe the loudest, but crap...but put some Ivey on the air.

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ESPN probably didn't like Ivey's quietness. They like the loud Hellmuth/Matusow kind not Juanda/Ivey. It makes for better for reality tv, not better poker broadcast.

[SmileyEH]

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Jesus...matasaow is going to be at every ESPN table. He's not the only name player out there, maybe the loudest, but crap...but put some Ivey on the air.

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ESPN probably didn't like Ivey's quietness. They like the loud Hellmuth/Matusow kind not Juanda/Ivey. It makes for better for reality tv, not better poker broadcast.

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ding

-SmileyEH

[ClintD]

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Jesus...matasaow is going to be at every ESPN table. He's not the only name player out there, maybe the loudest, but crap...but put some Ivey on the air.

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ESPN probably didn't like Ivey's quietness. They like the loud Hellmuth/Matusow kind not Juanda/Ivey. It makes for better for reality tv, not better poker broadcast.

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Moneymaker made for better TV in 2003? If ESPN has any pull they will put the 4 big names (Ivey, Juanda, Matusow, and Raymer) together ASAP.

[MCS]

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Sorry, a little intra-Carolinian rivalry there.


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NORTH CAROLINAAAAAAAAAAA
COME ON AND RAISE UP

[Kevmath]

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If ESPN has any pull they will put the 4 big names (Ivey, Juanda, Matusow, and Raymer) together ASAP.

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Or wait for them to make the final table together.

Kevin...

[52s]

Yet Ivey is one of the "Big 4" their WSOP ads are based around.

It doesn't compute.

If you're going to advertise him, get him to the TV table.

[ClintD]

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If ESPN has any pull they will put the 4 big names (Ivey, Juanda, Matusow, and Raymer) together ASAP.

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Or wait for them to make the final table together.

Kevin...

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I could see this, but I dont think ESPN would risk it. They know the long odds of all 4 of them making it. I would assume they try to get at least a couple of them together...like i said, IF (anybody have any facts on this?) they have any pull.

[TAR]

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1 Kelly Zoudo $ 3,500,000


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Card Player has Zoudo at $280,000.

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Kelly Zoudo is eliminated when his pocket 8's are beaten by Ayhan Alsancar's A-Q when an Ace and a Queen hit on the flop.

That 3.5 million sure didn't last.

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It really sucks, but $3.5 million just doesn't get you what it used to.

[Kevmath]

Table draws are done randomly, ESPN can't create the table they want to suit their purposes. Of course it wouldn't stop them from trying. When Shannon Elizabeth was still in the tournament, they allegedly tried to have her fill in a seat at the TV table.

Kevin...

[ClintD]

[ QUOTE ]
Table draws are done randomly, ESPN can't create the table they want to suit their purposes. Of course it wouldn't stop them from trying. When Shannon Elizabeth was still in the tournament, they tried to have her fill in a seat at the TV table.

Kevin...

[/ QUOTE ]

That's what I assumed, but you know what they say about people who do that... /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Davey]

i dont feel like copy and pasting a bunch of reports but PokerWire seems to be keeping up with the action more than Cardplayer right now. Just a heads up for those only looking at cardplayer

[shant]

[ QUOTE ]
NORTH CAROLINAAAAAAAAAAA
COME ON AND RAISE UP

[/ QUOTE ]
One of the best posts on 2+2 in a while.

[TAR]

[ QUOTE ]
from PokerWire: Alsancak doubles through Lester

Sorry Jason, didn't mean to send the whammy.

[/ QUOTE ]

Damn dude, when you send the whammy, you send it....

[ClintD]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
from PokerWire: Alsancak doubles through Lester

Sorry Jason, didn't mean to send the whammy.

[/ QUOTE ]

Damn dude, when you send the whammy, you send it....

[/ QUOTE ]

I generally demand a pretty quick response... /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Dynasty]

[ QUOTE ]

Jason Lester

After a solid ME performance last year, and still alive this year, does he rank up there in top runs in history i.e. the respect Harrington got for 03-04? (not saying its on par, but using the same logic.)

[/ QUOTE ]

Lester is out according to Gutshot.com (no details yet)

[Davey]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
from PokerWire: Alsancak doubles through Lester

Sorry Jason, didn't mean to send the whammy.

[/ QUOTE ]

Damn dude, when you send the whammy, you send it....

[/ QUOTE ]


from pokerwire:

Lazar eliminates Lester


no details about the hand though

[theredwave]

AQc lost to KK
Tried to copy from Pokerwire but the hand came out jumbled.

[ClintD]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
from PokerWire: Alsancak doubles through Lester

Sorry Jason, didn't mean to send the whammy.

[/ QUOTE ]

Damn dude, when you send the whammy, you send it....

[/ QUOTE ]

Im sure 2+2 members are absolutely recjoicing at the opportunity to converse with somebody embodying such absolutely power with the poker gods...need to jinx someone? /images/graemlins/grin.gif


from pokerwire:

Lazar eliminates Lester


no details about the hand though

[/ QUOTE ]

[DHamilton97]

Where the heck can you bet on Ivey ? Can you do it on bodog?

[2+2 wannabe]

dustin woolf's done a great job of hanging around

[ClintD]

Despite a negative player and media reaction play will continue until 1 AM PST

[TheMainEvent]

[ QUOTE ]
Overwhelming disapproval
Asst Tournament Director Jack Effel announced that play was behind schedule in terms of player eliminations and another half-level of play (an extra hour) would be added.

This was met with a rousing chorus of boos from the players (and some from the media as well), but the decision was upheld and play will extend to about 1 am PST.

[/ QUOTE ]

Behind schedule? I thought today was play down to 100? They're in the 70s now.

[2+2 wannabe]

tiffany doubles up with aq vs kk

[whalekock]

[ QUOTE ]
tiffany doubles up with aq vs kk

[/ QUOTE ]
Was it against Ivey?

[2+2 wannabe]

[ QUOTE ]
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tiffany doubles up with aq vs kk

[/ QUOTE ]
Was it against Ivey?

[/ QUOTE ]

terry burt

[Dynasty]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Overwhelming disapproval
Asst Tournament Director Jack Effel announced that play was behind schedule in terms of player eliminations and another half-level of play (an extra hour) would be added.

This was met with a rousing chorus of boos from the players (and some from the media as well), but the decision was upheld and play will extend to about 1 am PST.

[/ QUOTE ]

Behind schedule? I thought today was play down to 100? They're in the 70s now.

[/ QUOTE ]

The "behind schedule" comment makes no sense.

WSOP schedule on official site (http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/wsop.asp)

July 12, Tuesday Day 4, Start with 200 - 400 play down to 100-150

[2+2 wannabe]

tiffany's play seems pretty bad on this hand

[Kevmath]

[ QUOTE ]
tiffany's play seems pretty bad on lots of her hands

[/ QUOTE ]

FYP

Kevin...

[whalekock]

[ QUOTE ]
tiffany's play seems pretty bad on this hand

[/ QUOTE ]
Doyle Brunson and Phil Ivey would be sickened by that hand.

[2+2 wannabe]

[ QUOTE ]
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tiffany's play seems pretty bad on lots of her hands

[/ QUOTE ]

FYP

Kevin...

[/ QUOTE ]

i haven't heard much from her, but she seems like a super luckbox getting decent cards

edit: i wonder how much fatigue affected that hand?!? why push aq against big stack?

[scott8]

They are reporting she hit the case Ace on that hand.
If you put yourself in her position, why not push any decent hand? The Matt Dean poker play.

[Cunning Linguist]

[ QUOTE ]
why push aq against big stack?

[/ QUOTE ]

Because she sucks dude, hard. What a massive luckbox.

[Kevmath]

If you get a chance tomorrow, go thru Gutshot's updates of her previous days. Her usual strategy: Get the clock called on you, get all the money in while behind, suck out, repeat.

Kevin...

[ziggy_m]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Overwhelming disapproval
Asst Tournament Director Jack Effel announced that play was behind schedule in terms of player eliminations and another half-level of play (an extra hour) would be added.

This was met with a rousing chorus of boos from the players (and some from the media as well), but the decision was upheld and play will extend to about 1 am PST.

[/ QUOTE ]

Behind schedule? I thought today was play down to 100? They're in the 70s now.

[/ QUOTE ]

The "behind schedule" comment makes no sense.

WSOP schedule on official site (http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/wsop.asp)

July 12, Tuesday Day 4, Start with 200 - 400 play down to 100-150

[/ QUOTE ]

Behind schedule after they re-figured it to F the players and maybe save a day's worth of fees from the convention hall?

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
tiffany's play seems pretty bad on lots of her hands

[/ QUOTE ]

FYP

Kevin...

[/ QUOTE ]
Please explain to a 2+2 newb..... "FYP"?

[whalekock]

[ QUOTE ]
If you get a chance tomorrow, go thru Gutshot's updates of her previous days. Her usual strategy: Get the clock called on you, get all the money in while behind, suck out, repeat.

Kevin...

[/ QUOTE ]
Clockwork Kid eh? Her heads up with Bob Stupak=death of Poker.

[slavic]

"FYP"?

Fixed your post

[ismisus]

saw this somewhere. Tiff is a low-limit player, this is her 5th tourney or something like that. She probably never had a stack this big with blinds these small. She's fearless, because she doesn't know what to fear! She's making those borderline genius/iditiotic plays.

However she's not dead money! She won't be pushed around.

[Rocaix]

[ QUOTE ]
If you get a chance tomorrow, go thru Gutshot's updates of her previous days. Her usual strategy: Get the clock called on you, get all the money in while behind, suck out, repeat.


[/ QUOTE ]

She seems to play like your typical small-stakes Party donk. Wouldn't be surprised that when the deck stops hitting her in the face, she's in for titanic collapse.

[ZenMusician]

Sorry...but if Butt, Pugh, Wang and Dix are ever at the same table, I may never stop laughing!

-ZEN

[touchfaith]

[ QUOTE ]
If you get a chance tomorrow, go thru Gutshot's updates of her previous days. Her usual strategy: Get the clock called on you, get all the money in while behind, suck out, repeat.

Kevin...

[/ QUOTE ]

Gawd please don't let this "women" (debatable) make the final table...

I don't think I could deal with a year of re-runs with that face on my tv.

[theredwave]

[ QUOTE ]
borderline genius/iditiotic plays.

[/ QUOTE ]

Nothing borderline genius about getting all your money in preflop with AQ against KK.

[72off]

[ QUOTE ]
If you put yourself in her position, why not push any decent hand?

[/ QUOTE ]

Might as well if you know you can't play with anyone after the flop.

I think there was a hand from yesterday where she raised, and some guy re-raised allin for around 300k into a 30k pot, she had about 320k or so (if memory serves...) thought for a while and then called with AQ sooted, sucking out on AK.

AQ again, she's like the anti-Ivey.

I get the feeling she's going to donate a lot of chips to someone pretty quickly. Is Juanda still at her table...?

[pokerdirty]

[ QUOTE ]
Sorry...but if Butt, Pugh, Wang and Dix are ever at the same table, I may never stop laughing!

-ZEN

[/ QUOTE ]

"The Mouth" better be there to keep the Dix and Wangs happy....

[ZenMusician]

NH

-ZEN

[ziggy_m]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
borderline genius/iditiotic plays.

[/ QUOTE ]

Nothing borderline genius about getting all your money in preflop with AQ against KK.

[/ QUOTE ]
Here here!

EDIT:
[ QUOTE ]
AQ again, she's like the anti-Ivey.

[/ QUOTE ]
Here here here!

[2+2 wannabe]

raymer all in....(pokerwire)

[whalekock]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
borderline genius/iditiotic plays.

[/ QUOTE ]

Nothing borderline genius about getting all your money in preflop with AQ against KK.

[/ QUOTE ]
It's obvious: She is using "The System".
Thanks for ruining poker David Sklansky.

[ZBTHorton]

[ QUOTE ]
raymer all in....(pokerwire)

[/ QUOTE ]
??

[2+2 wannabe]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
raymer all in....(pokerwire)

[/ QUOTE ]
??

[/ QUOTE ]

pokerwire says raymer is all in the hand before break

no details yet

[Dynasty]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
raymer all in....(pokerwire)

[/ QUOTE ]
??

[/ QUOTE ]

Raymer's all-in hand
With a flop showing 8cAsJs, Raymer led out with 80k and was raised by Tex Barch to 140k. Raymer came over the top all-in and put Barch in the think tank for nearly 4 minutes. With three ESPN cameras around, Raymer waited patiently before Barch decided to fold.

[Daliman]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
on the chip count on card player, it lists "hon lee" at 700k in chips... is this hon lee as in where Puff the Magic Dragon frolicked in the autumn mist?

[/ QUOTE ]

Is this the Hon Le who crushed a tablet and through it into the eyes of Frank Dux?
G$

[/ QUOTE ]

Ask Skeme

[TomCollins]

Another piss poor reporting. There is no way you can bet 80k and be raised to 140k. I'm guessing he was raised 140k more.

[Dynasty]

[ QUOTE ]
Another piss poor reporting. There is no way you can bet 80k and be raised to 140k. I'm guessing he was raised 140k more.

[/ QUOTE ]

From Card Player

After a flop of As-Js-8c, Greg Raymer bets about $80,000, Tex Barch raises to about $220,000, and Raymer pushes all in. Word quickly spreads through the media and the fans that crowd-favorite Greg Raymer is all in, and a swarm quickly descends on the table. Just as quickly as everyone arrives, they soon become as motionless as Raymer himself, who calmly stares back at Barch through his signature reptilian sunglasses.


Barch, however, is in motion. He's adjusting his hat, counting out his chips, looking at Raymer's chips, and studying the defending World Champion as he contemplates whether or not to call. They are close enough in chips that this is a make-it-or-break-it hand for both of them. Looking at Raymer more closely, his breathing is normal, and he is so relaxed, at first glance you wouldn't think he was even involved in the hand.


Nobody calls the clock, even though it seems like an eternity. The break has started, and most of the players are already out of the tournament area. But nobody ever calls the clock.


After four agonizing minutes, Tex Barch folds, and Raymer's supporters (and there are plenty) breathe a huge sigh of relief.

[SoftcoreRevolt]

Sounds like an incredible hand.

[Platypus]

Fossilman goes all-in on a flush draw. Matusow not here to call.

[shadow29]

Anyone want to do the math and tell us what that puts Greg's stack at?

[oreogod]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
tiffany's play seems pretty bad on this hand

[/ QUOTE ]
Doyle Brunson and Phil Ivey would be sickened by that hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

You just know shes going to get a decent amount of showtime to. If we are to judge by the tastes of the ESPN producers. Someone get this woman out stat.

I agree re-runs of her will be -EV. Biggest luckbox ever. Right up there with Danny Ngyen.

[2+2 wannabe]

[ QUOTE ]
Sounds like an incredible hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

agreed - taking on one of like 5 people ahead of him

[Dynasty]

[ QUOTE ]
Anyone want to do the math and tell us what that puts Greg's stack at?

[/ QUOTE ]

1.5 million is a fair estimate. That would put him about 8th.

[SoftcoreRevolt]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
tiffany's play seems pretty bad on this hand

[/ QUOTE ]
Doyle Brunson and Phil Ivey would be sickened by that hand.

[/ QUOTE ]


I agree re-runs of her will be -EV. Biggest luckbox ever. Right up there with Danny Ngyen.

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't you mean +EV? A female luckbox will only get more donks into poker.

[2+2 wannabe]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
tiffany's play seems pretty bad on this hand

[/ QUOTE ]
Doyle Brunson and Phil Ivey would be sickened by that hand.

[/ QUOTE ]


I agree re-runs of her will be -EV. Biggest luckbox ever. Right up there with Danny Ngyen.

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't you mean +EV? A female luckbox will only get more donks into poker.

[/ QUOTE ]

her winning the wsop would be the best thing for it

[Dynasty]

Tom Vu isn't getting much love in this thread despite being top ten in chips.

http://infomercial.tvheaven.com/vuface.jpg

http://infomercial.tvheaven.com/five2.jpg

http://infomercial.tvheaven.com/asses.jpg


I've played with him plenty of times in the Mirage 20-40 game. He's definitley LAGgy. Here's one hand I posted over a year ago.

Mirage 20-40: Dynasty vs. Tom Vu (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=mediumholdem&Number=666610 &Forum=f4&Words=vu&Searchpage=0&Limit=25000&Main=6 66610&Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=36&daterange= 1&newerval=10&newertype=y&olderval=&oldertype=&bod yprev=#Post666610)

[ismisus]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
borderline genius/iditiotic plays.

[/ QUOTE ]

Nothing borderline genius about getting all your money in preflop with AQ against KK.

[/ QUOTE ]

How does she know she's against KK? This person can raise with whole lot of hands besides KK. If he's got worse than queens, he probably folds for all his chips.

[istewart]

Kick this Tiffany bitch out of the event.

[Nick B.]

[ QUOTE ]
Tom Vu isn't getting much love in this thread despite being top ten in chips.

I've played with him plenty of times in the Mirage 20-40 game. He's definitley LAGgy. Here's one hand I posted over a year ago.

Mirage 20-40: Dynasty vs. Tom Vu (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=mediumholdem&Number=666610 &Forum=f4&Words=vu&Searchpage=0&Limit=25000&Main=6 66610&Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=36&daterange= 1&newerval=10&newertype=y&olderval=&oldertype=&bod yprev=#Post666610)

[/ QUOTE ]

He won a pot in the 30-60 at bellagio that had over $3k in it with 89 on a K835K board.

[whalekock]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
tiffany's play seems pretty bad on this hand

[/ QUOTE ]
Doyle Brunson and Phil Ivey would be sickened by that hand.

[/ QUOTE ]


I agree re-runs of her will be -EV. Biggest luckbox ever. Right up there with Danny Ngyen.

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't you mean +EV? A female luckbox will only get more donks into poker.

[/ QUOTE ]
If she wins, Mike Matasow should be viewed as a prophet. Like VVP says,"Throw away the books people."

[Bill Murphy]

http://www.pokervoice.com/pics/prof.jpg

Note how JJ had position, and there were no other big stacks or names at that table and he couldn't take advantage.

Then she spikes the case ace agin some other guy's KK. Man, .....

[whalekock]

Phil Ivey busts Tom Pniak

According to Pokerwire.

[theredwave]

[ QUOTE ]
How does she know she's against KK? This person can raise with whole lot of hands besides KK. If he's got worse than queens, he probably folds for all his chips.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok, than she puts her entire 1 million stack at risk to steal his 40,000 raise and the blinds and antes, and there is no way he will call with a hand worse than AQ. She was steaming from the hand before against him and made a bad move.

[MCS]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Tom Vu isn't getting much love in this thread despite being top ten in chips.

I've played with him plenty of times in the Mirage 20-40 game. He's definitley LAGgy. Here's one hand I posted over a year ago.

Mirage 20-40: Dynasty vs. Tom Vu (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=mediumholdem&Number=666610 &Forum=f4&Words=vu&Searchpage=0&Limit=25000&Main=6 66610&Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=36&daterange= 1&newerval=10&newertype=y&olderval=&oldertype=&bod yprev=#Post666610)

[/ QUOTE ]

He won a pot in the 30-60 at bellagio that had over $3k in it with 89 on a K835K board.

[/ QUOTE ]

What the hell? How?

A couple days ago I won a $140 pot at the Excalibur $1-3. It was a pretty tight game too, except that one hand. But I would think $15/30 players would be a bit more sane.

[ZBTHorton]

Neverwin is upto 1.2 million now...

I'm really impressed with him today, he's been short stacked all day...alligator blood I tell ya.

[2+2 wannabe]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Tom Vu isn't getting much love in this thread despite being top ten in chips.

I've played with him plenty of times in the Mirage 20-40 game. He's definitley LAGgy. Here's one hand I posted over a year ago.

Mirage 20-40: Dynasty vs. Tom Vu (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=mediumholdem&Number=666610 &Forum=f4&Words=vu&Searchpage=0&Limit=25000&Main=6 66610&Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=36&daterange= 1&newerval=10&newertype=y&olderval=&oldertype=&bod yprev=#Post666610)

[/ QUOTE ]

He won a pot in the 30-60 at bellagio that had over $3k in it with 89 on a K835K board.

[/ QUOTE ]

3000/60 = 50BB

ummmmm....../images/graemlins/confused.gif

[2+2 wannabe]

[ QUOTE ]
Neverwin is upto 1.2 million now...

I'm really impressed with him today, he's been short stacked all day...alligator blood I tell ya.

[/ QUOTE ]

neverwin = dustin woolf?

[MCS]

[ QUOTE ]
Phil Ivey busts Tom Pniak

According to Pokerwire.

[/ QUOTE ]

With Pniak holding 32o.

According to CP.

[ZBTHorton]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Neverwin is upto 1.2 million now...

I'm really impressed with him today, he's been short stacked all day...alligator blood I tell ya.

[/ QUOTE ]

neverwin = dustin woolf?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah.

[72off]

[ QUOTE ]
With Pniak holding 32o.

[/ QUOTE ]

At least they were live?

[ohkanada]

On the big all-in move, Greg claimed to have flopped a set and the other guy claimed to have folded top 2. Who knows which or both are lieing.

Ken

[2+2 wannabe]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
With Pniak holding 32o.

[/ QUOTE ]

At least they were live?

[/ QUOTE ]

probably short stacked and on a blind

[Bill Murphy]

...stay late tonight, get done earlier tomorrow, more time to moove everything to Binion's for Thursday.

Just a guess. Not that it matters now, but how the fvck does having the final two days in an ol' dump downtown honor LV's centennial? NTM, the inconvenience for everyone, esp. the players.

[pokerdirty]

Is Mr. Butt still at the featured table?

if so, expect a hour long episode of butt jokes by norman chad...

[TheCroShow]

why is everyone hating on the girl? i'd like to see her make the final table just to upset you guys!

[shant]

Kevin 'Kmacc' McCarthey takes 69th
Kevin 'Kmacc' McCarthy took home $124,835 for 69th place after qualifying for his seat for only $11.

[theredwave]

Featured Table update: Mike Matusow won a big hand and knocked out Jose Rodreguiz, who's wicked pissed. Mike's J-J beat Big Slick. After he won, he high fived a few guys in the crowd. One guy missed and smacked him in the head. He shouted, "A coinflip! I won a coinflip!" and thrust his arms in the air. Matusow is on a roll with $2.2M. 65 players are left. Acerage chip count is $864K.

-Taopoker

[ZenMusician]

[ QUOTE ]
Is Mr. Butt still at the featured table?

if so, expect a hour long episode of butt jokes by norman chad...

[/ QUOTE ]

Nope, his Butt is outta there...

-ZEN

[pokerdirty]

Date / Time: 2005-07-13 00:46:00
Title: Howard Takes a Pot from Ivey
Log: After the flop of 9s-6h-3d, Phil Ivey bets out $90,000. Johnny Howard calls. The turn is the 4c. Ivey checks. Howard also checks. The river is the 9d. Ivey bets out $150,000. Howard calls. Howard shows 8's. Ivey has 7's. Howard wins a $500,000+ pot from Phil Ivey.


source - CP

[ZenMusician]

Date / Time: 2005-07-13 00:53:00
Title: Recent Eliminations
Log: The following players have recently been eliminated:

67th - Richard Kirsch ($124,835)
66th - Jose Rodriguez ($124,835)

(CP)

-ZEN

[kemystery]

Go Kenna!

[ZenMusician]

Date / Time: 2005-07-13 00:55:00
Title: Niklas Flisberg Eliminated in 65th Place ($124,835)
Log: Niklas Flisberg was all in preflop with K-J. Unfortunately, he was up against K-Q. There was a queen on the flop, and another on the turn, and Flisberg was drawing dead. Niklas Flisberg is eliminated in 65th place, earning $124,835.

(CP)

-ZEN

[Edge34]

[ QUOTE ]
...stay late tonight, get done earlier tomorrow, more time to moove everything to Binion's for Thursday.

Just a guess. Not that it matters now, but how the fvck does having the final two days in an ol' dump downtown honor LV's centennial? NTM, the inconvenience for everyone, esp. the players.

[/ QUOTE ]

The players who are still in for the last 2 days, I'm pretty sure can afford a little cab ride if they're staying over at Rio.

BTW, its not about Vegas's centennial. Its about the fact that Binion's Horseshoe, while it lacks a lot of the flash and glitz of the newer Strip casinos like Bellagio and Wynn...I mean, come on, that place was THE center for poker thanks to Benny and this tournament.

[oreogod]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
tiffany's play seems pretty bad on this hand

[/ QUOTE ]
Doyle Brunson and Phil Ivey would be sickened by that hand.

[/ QUOTE ]


I agree re-runs of her will be -EV. Biggest luckbox ever. Right up there with Danny Ngyen.

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't you mean +EV? A female luckbox will only get more donks into poker.

[/ QUOTE ]

I already make good at the tables...Im purely thinking of entertainment value whenever a re-run of the WSOP 2005 pops on, or whenever I bring it up on TiVo.

[ZenMusician]

-ZEN

[Dynasty]

[ QUOTE ]

BTW, its not about Vegas's centennial..

[/ QUOTE ]

That's exactly what it's about. When Harrah's bought the WSOP from Binion's, Vegas' mayor was involved in the deal and requested the final table be held downtown as part of the celebrations

[ QUOTE ]
Its about the fact that Binion's Horseshoe, while it lacks a lot of the flash and glitz of the newer Strip casinos like Bellagio and Wynn...I mean, come on, that place was THE center for poker thanks to Benny and this tournament.

[/ QUOTE ]

It's not even called Binion's Horsehoe any more.

[ZenMusician]

Date / Time: 2005-07-13 01:03:00
Title: Interesting Move
Log: Lee Watkinson has just been moved to Greg Raymer's table - which now holds - Raymer, Watkinson, Tex Barch, and Farzad Bonyadi.

(CP)

-ZEN

[Nottom]

[ QUOTE ]
Jesus...matasaow is going to be at every ESPN table. He's not the only name player out there, maybe the loudest, but crap...but put some Ivey on the air.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd guess that Ivey sees (hopefully) lots of time at the TV table tomorrow.

[Dynasty]

Greg Raymer loses a $580,000 pot to Bart Rice when his K-Q's pair of Queens is outkicked by Rice's A-Q.

According to pokerwire, Raymer is down to about 700k. That should be less than the average stack.

[Bill Murphy]

[ QUOTE ]
Quote:
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Its about the fact that Binion's Horseshoe, while it lacks a lot of the flash and glitz of the newer Strip casinos like Bellagio and Wynn...I mean, come on, that place was THE center for poker thanks to Benny and this tournament.


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It's not even called Binion's Horsehoe any more.


[/ QUOTE ]

It'd be like having the Super Bowl at Lambeau Field, although that would actually be kinda cool. Literally! hahahahaha, defo time for bed. gl, Greg.

[Nottom]

[ QUOTE ]
why is everyone hating on the girl? i'd like to see her make the final table just to upset you guys!

[/ QUOTE ]

[Ond]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
why is everyone hating on the girl? i'd like to see her make the final table just to upset you guys!

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

Not to mention it would be very good for poker.

[ziggy_m]

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[ZenMusician]

-ZEN

[bp02]

DAY 4 IS OVER.

2005-07-13 01:32:00
Title: Chip Leaders
Log: Tim Phan is the current chip leader with $3,200,000 in chips. Mike Matusow is not that far behind in second place though with $2,600,000.

[TheCroShow]

i get a kick out of this...all these guys are insulting...sorry, the UK woman and giving her a hard time blah blah...she's fugly? compared to the devilishly handsome looks of raymer or moneymaker? (just picking the last 2 champions)why should her looks matter? certainly did not matter when moneymaker won or raymer.

i'm rooting for...UK lady. would be nice to see ivey capture the championship he deserves. would also be nice to see matusow win.

[Lalit Khajuria]

Agreed.

And actually I believ she is not that ugly by BRIT standards, it should be great for poker when someone average looking lady wins, much better then some super hot girl.

[ziggy_m]

I can agree with you here, TheCroShow...

I think she'd be the best for poker, continuing with the moneymaker-->Raymer tradition /images/graemlins/wink.gif

But I also agree a Matusow win would be pretty sweet. I really did feel sorry for him when he cried last year.

[Nottom]

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Agreed.

And actually I believ she is not that ugly by BRIT standards, it should be great for poker when someone average looking lady wins, much better then some super hot girl.

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Shes not even that ugly, just an average looking middle-aged black lady.

[Ond]

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Agreed.

And actually I believ she is not that ugly by BRIT standards, it should be great for poker when someone average looking lady wins, much better then some super hot girl.

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Shes not even that ugly, just an average looking middle-aged black lady.

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Plus of course its the WSOP not a beauty pageant. If looks mattered, I would have about 40 WSOP bracelets!

Anyway, yea I hope Ivey wins because when he is focused he is the best pokah player. I hope Greg makes the final table just to shut all the haters crying about luck up, and I hope Juanda makes the final table because he is almost as good as Ivey.

Oh and yeah, I hope Tiffany makes it there too, cause it might mean more people watching and playing poker.

[TheMetetron]

Yeah...

Tiffany, Juanda, Matasow, Raymer, and Ivey at the final table would make me very happy.

I say give it all to Ivey.

[housenuts]

only problem i see with matusow winning is his recent involvement with the law. (cocaine possession or whatever)
if he wins, that will be played up, and gambling may once again be seen as a degenerative activity.

i'd like ivey to win. raymer again would be pretty sweet as well. don't get me wrong, i like matusow and would be happy if he won, but i don't know how good that would be for the game.

aside from those known guys a young internet pro would also be cool. someone, like david williams, to whom the money would mean an overwhelming much more than it would mean to say ivey or juanda. i hesitate on juanda because he may not be the best ambassador for the game. ie. his lack of english skills...not that they are horrible, but they aren't great.

[ziggy_m]

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only problem i see with matusow winning is his recent involvement with the law. (cocaine possession or whatever)

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Then again, it could result in a bunch of cokehead tilters with weekly coke cash who forget how much they lose!

[TheCroShow]

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only problem i see with matusow winning is his recent involvement with the law. (cocaine possession or whatever)
if he wins, that will be played up, and gambling may once again be seen as a degenerative activity.

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it would take a heck of a lot more to stop this poker train/boom/explosion. sure buddy had a few problems in the past, but he certainly deserves an ME win. i'd like to see tiffany final table and either ivey or matusow winning the ME.

back on topic...nobody will ever forget the stories of online qualifiers winning back to back. there will be "pipe dreams" as knish would call em and it's clear matusow is not a degenerate gambler. sure he is a gambler, but he cannot make it as far as he has made it in his career by playing like a donk

[ziggy_m]

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sure he is a gambler, but he cannot make it as far as he has made it in his career by playing like a donk

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How many times did Stu Ungar go broke?


Ouch! No really, The Mouth is no Stu, but there are some similarities if you look for them.



p.s. this is not a contradiction of anybody... just an observation

[TheCroShow]

aye, but in the public eye it's not really talked about..the problems stu ungar had with cheating, drugs, alcohol, etc...you hear about how awesome sauce he was and arguably the best NL player ever to live.

i highly doubt ESPN is going to get into the problems matusow has had in the past. maybe an ABC special will reveal these troubles, but i highly doubt the poker explosion will die down because a former drug addict won the world series of poker.

look at professional sports, steroid use is basically praised and glorified..look boys and girls, juice up and SMASH homerun records! a few ripples were caused, but the ppl still love the game

[Mano]

1 Tim Phan $ 3,244,000
2 Mike Matusow $ 2,561,000
3 Farzad Bonyadi $ 2,402,000
4 Steve Dannenmann $ 2,143,000
5 Phil Ivey $ 2,027,000
6 Tex Barch $ 2,025,000
7 Tiffany Williamson $ 1,992,000
8 Johnny Howard $ 1,806,000
9 Scott Lazar $ 1,629,000
10 Tuan 'Tommy' Vu $ 1,571,000
11 Bart Rice $ 1,414,000
12 Raymi Sanchesz Thorn $ 1,288,000
13 Lee Watkinson $ 1,221,000
14 Tom Sartori $ 1,208,000
15 Daniel Bergsdorf $ 1,144,000
16 Brad Kondracki $ 1,136,000
17 Minh Ly $ 1,102,000
18 Terry Burt $ 1,080,000
19 Steve Marx $ 1,042,000
20 Per Hildebrand $ 1,017,000
21 Michael Kessler $ 986,000
22 Shahram 'Shawn' Sheikhan $ 983,000
23 Patrick Hayden $ 972,000
24 Dustin Woolf $ 968,000
25 John Juanda $ 841,000
26 Joseph Hachem $ 814,000
27 Nick Gibson $ 811,000
28 John McGrane $ 780,880
29 Aaron Kanter $ 778,000
30 Ayhan Alsancak $ 775,000
31 Greg 'Fossilman' Raymer $ 766,000
32 Radu Butan $ 762,000
33 Bing Wang $ 739,000
34 Oskar Silow $ 720,000
35 Adam Friedman $ 719,000
36 James Butt $ 716,000
37 Russell 'The Muscle' Salzer $ 710,000
38 Bryant King $ 702,000
39 Franklin Caldwell $ 690,000
40 Yakov Hirsch $ 658,000
41 Joe Connor $ 641,000
42 Mark Forrester $ 628,000
43 Karlo Lopez $ 607,000
44 Joe Stillman $ 584,000
45 Kevin Kaikko $ 571,000
46 Tony Abesamis $ 513,000
47 Kenna James $ 510,000
48 Hung La $ 505,000
49 David Richardson $ 501,000
50 Roland Israelashvici $ 469,000
51 Will O'Brien $ 423,000
52 Bernard Lee $ 379,000
53 Andrew Black $ 371,000
54 Conor Tate $ 368,000
55 Derek Dix $ 202,000
56 Rod Pardey Jr. $ 187,000
57 Larry Prugh $ 166,000
58 Jarl Lindholt Jorgensen $ 101,000

[Ond]

Matusow is arguably a very very good player, but his emotions tend to let him down. If he can add some zen to his game, he would be top dog.

He is great TV of course, and thats good for poker. Cocaine, hookers, jailtime, strippers, shouting and cursing is great for ratings.

Its like Poker Sopranos.

[Mano]

It looks like Neverwin has made quite a comeback.

[ziggy_m]

I sincerely hope he doesn't "Blow up", or that if he does, it's at the final table with a truly balls bluff.

Reminds me of myself he does /images/graemlins/wink.gif /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[ziggy_m]

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It looks like Neverwin has made quite a comeback.

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Please excuse me for so many "newb" posts in a row, but, who is Neverwin, again?

[Yeti]

Dustin Wolff.

[Supern]

Three swedes still in it.
Gogogoogog Sweden! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ziggy_m]

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Dustin Wolff.

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Ah that was enough (http://www.neverwinpoker.com/phpnuke/html/index.php), thanks!

[djack]

[ QUOTE ]


That's exactly what it's about. When Harrah's bought the WSOP from Binion's, Vegas' mayor was involved in the deal and requested the final table be held downtown as part of the celebrations

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Oscar Goodman. I'm guessing you're a fan, Dynasty?

[Supern]

Damn I missed at least one swede.
Four or five swedish vikings left! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[housenuts]

Beginning Day Five Seating

Player Chip Count Table Seat

Jarl Lindholt Jorgensen $101,000 117 1
Franklin Caldwell $690,000 117 2
Joe Connor $641,000 117 3
Farzad Bonyadi $2,402,000 117 5
Dustin Woolf $968,000 117 6
Mike Matusow $2,561,000 117 7
Brad Kondracki $1,136,000 117 8
Tex Barch $2,025,000 117 9

Adam Friedman $719,000 118 1
Daniel Bergsdorf $1,144,000 118 2
Steve Dannenmann $2,143,000 118 3
Steve Marx $1,042,000 118 4
Kevin Kaikko $571,000 118 5
Larry Prugh $166,000 118 6
Minh Ly $1,102,000 118 7
Nick Gibson $811,000 118 8

Karlo Lopez $607,000 120 1
Michael Kessler $986,000 120 2
Tom Sartori $1,208,000 120 3
James Butt $716,000 120 4
Greg Raymer $766,000 120 5
Radu Butan $762,000 120 7
Shawn Sheikhan $983,000 120 8

Conor Tate $368,000 129 1
Per Hildebrand $1,017,000 129 2
Bryant King $702,000 129 3
John McGrane $780,880 129 4
Tommy Vu $1,571,000 129 5
Scott Lazar $1,629,000 129 6
Tim Phan $3,244,000 129 7

Andrew Black $371,000 131 1
Russell Salzer $710,000 131 2
Phil Ivey $2,027,000 131 3
Roland Israelashvici $469,000 131 4
David Richardson $501,000 131 5
Oskar Silow $720,000 131 6
Hung La $505,000 131 8
Terry Burt $1,080,000 131 9
Aaron Kanter $778,000 131 10

Lee Watkinson $1,221,000 133 1
Joe Stillman $584,000 133 2
Tiffany Williamson $1,992,000 133 3
Derek Dix $202,000 133 4
Johnny Howard $1,806,000 133 5
Ayhan Alsancak $775,000 133 6
Bing Wang $739,000 133 7
Joseph Hachem $814,000 133 8
Tony Abesamis $513,000 133 9
Mark Forrester $628,000 133 10

Raymi Sanchesz Thorn $1,288,000 142 1
Kenna James $510,000 142 2
Rod Pardey Jr. $187,000 142 3
Bernard Lee $379,000 142 4
Francis W O'Brien $423,000 142 5
Gregory Rice $1,414,000 142 6
Patrick Hayden $972,000 142 7
John Juanda $841,000 142 8
Yakov Hirsch $658,000 142 9

amazing draw for ivey. he's winning this thing

[Klepton]

wow, first table is gonna be ESPN

raymer and ivey are on tables full of nobodys, good stuff

and i didn't even notice hung la was still in it (regular from commerce, plays 100-200 limit and higher)

to raymer, matusow, ivey, juanda, la, i wanna say this:

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4294/darrow2ld.jpg

PS - omg the luske copying jerkoff is still in it /images/graemlins/mad.gif

[cameroncrazy]

That table draw makes no sense to me. How can some tables have 10 players and some only 7? I know they can't always be equal, but a difference of 3 has never been allowed in any tournament I've played.

[Homer]

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Kick this Tiffany bitch out of the event.

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What is the problem with you people? You're calling her a bitch, others are calling her fugly, still others are saying "get this woman out of here". Are you really that miserable that you need to trash someone that you've never met based on sex/appearance alone?

[trm22]

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PS - omg the luske copying jerkoff is still in it /images/graemlins/mad.gif

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Klepton,

Whats your problem here? The guy you're slating so much is Andy Black, one of two Irish players left in the main event. For the record, it's not the first time that he's gone deep in this tournament either, finishing 14th in '97 (iirc). Plus he's had a respectable WSOP so far this year, finishing 10th and 28th in the two short-handed NL events.

I've played with him on the Irish/European scene a few times, and as well as being a strong player, he's also a really decent guy. There's no reason that he would be "copying" Marcel Luske; any similarities in style as regards the sunglasses is just a coincidence. Or more likely, he wears them upside down for the same reason as Marcel.

So give the guy a break. He has as much right to still be in this tournament as anyone else has. I doubt that you have a record as good as Andy in the WSOP, but even if you had, I wouldn't listen to your bs.

[jacki]

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why is everyone hating on the girl? i'd like to see her make the final table just to upset you guys!

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[astroglide]

what is marcel's reason?

[touchfaith]

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Kick this Tiffany bitch out of the event.

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What is the problem with you people? You're calling her a bitch, others are calling her fugly, still others are saying "get this woman out of here". Are you really that miserable that you need to trash someone that you've never met based on sex/appearance alone?

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Oh settle down, this isn't the United Nations, it's just a damn poker forum.

I didn't make her fugly, I simply reported my opinion of her fugliness and my non-desire to see her fugliness on my TV screen.

If you like her, go for it, but I wouldn't touch that fugly with your matusow, let alone mine.

Why arn't you bitching at the people giving the Luske look-a-like a hard time?

No defense of Matusow?

[trm22]

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what is marcel's reason?

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AFAIK, he finds it easier to read the board this way, while still covering his eyes when observing the other players. Plus, the overhead lights have less effect on him, which makes eye strain less of an issue. I could be wrong, butI'm fairly sure that these are the reasons he's quoted as giving.

[Homer]

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Kick this Tiffany bitch out of the event.

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What is the problem with you people? You're calling her a bitch, others are calling her fugly, still others are saying "get this woman out of here". Are you really that miserable that you need to trash someone that you've never met based on sex/appearance alone?

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh settle down, this isn't the United Nations, it's just a damn poker forum.

I didn't make her fugly, I simply reported my opinion of her fugliness and my non-desire to see her fugliness on my TV screen.

If you like her, go for it, but I wouldn't touch that fugly with your matusow, let alone mine.

Why arn't you bitching at the people giving the Luske look-a-like a hard time?

No defense of Matusow?

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I'm not looking to take on the role of forum police.

This all seems a bit over the top to me, that's all.

[touchfaith]

fair enough

[TomHimself]

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why is everyone hating on the girl? i'd like to see her make the final table just to upset you guys!

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