Two AA hands

[jeffraider]

***** Hand History for Game 1742081348 *****
$25 PL Omaha Hi - Tuesday, March 15, 22:20:36 EDT 2005
Table Table 37075 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Blastoff ( $153.95 )
Seat 2: Suprfan099 ( $12.65 )
Seat 3: Teddy_KGB219 ( $42.25 )
Seat 5: jeffraiderSA ( $29.4 )
Seat 6: ToughGuy_TJ ( $24.25 )
Seat 7: WWiinndd ( $36.44 )
Seat 9: wossamotta ( $24.25 )
Seat 10: rcarocks ( $26.9 )
Seat 8: jb1234 ( $18.7 )
Seat 4: Bouxkizer007 ( $25 )
ToughGuy_TJ posts small blind [$0.1].
WWiinndd posts big blind [$0.25].
Bouxkizer007 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jeffraiderSA [ 5s As 8c Ad ]
jb1234 calls [$0.25].
wossamotta calls [$0.25].
Blastoff calls [$0.25].
Teddy_KGB219 calls [$0.25].
Bouxkizer007 checks.
jeffraiderSA raises [$2.1].
Blastoff: oooooo, i think u had me
ToughGuy_TJ folds.
WWiinndd folds.
jb1234 calls [$1.85].
wossamotta folds.
Blastoff calls [$1.85].
Teddy_KGB219 folds.
Bouxkizer007 calls [$1.85].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, Jd, 9d ]
Teddy_KGB219: i dont lol
jb1234 checks.
Blastoff checks.
Bouxkizer007 checks.
>You have options at Table 36827 Table!.
jeffraiderSA bets [$8.8].
jb1234 folds.
Blastoff: man I wanna call
Teddy_KGB219: thus the fold /images/graemlins/wink.gif
Teddy_KGB219: youre on the heat
Teddy_KGB219: you cant lose
Blastoff: i have one of my outs though...leaves 7
Blastoff folds.
Bouxkizer007 folds.
jeffraiderSA does not show cards.
jeffraiderSA wins $17.6
jb1234 has left the table.

and

***** Hand History for Game 1742064830 *****
$25 PL Omaha Hi - Tuesday, March 15, 22:17:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 37092 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: ToughGuy_TJ ( $24.25 )
Seat 3: snowbyrd10 ( $25.4 )
Seat 5: boogerfish ( $37.65 )
Seat 6: mrsanddog ( $36.87 )
Seat 7: soontir ( $25 )
Seat 9: jeffraiderSA ( $26.2 )
Seat 10: JkFelly ( $105.7 )
soontir posts small blind [$0.1].
jeffraiderSA posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jeffraiderSA [ 4s As 7h Ac ]
snowbyrd10: nh
snowbyrd10: 555
JkFelly calls [$0.25].
ToughGuy_TJ folds.
snowbyrd10: for me
snowbyrd10 calls [$0.25].
>You have options at Table 36827 Table!.
boogerfish calls [$0.25].
mrsanddog calls [$0.25].
soontir calls [$0.15].
jeffraiderSA raises [$1.5].
JkFelly calls [$1.5].
snowbyrd10 folds.
boogerfish calls [$1.5].
mrsanddog folds.
soontir folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 2d, 6s ]
jeffraiderSA bets [$5.7].
JkFelly folds.
boogerfish calls [$5.7].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
jeffraiderSA checks.
>You have options at Table 36827 Table!.
boogerfish bets [$5].
jeffraiderSA folds.
boogerfish does not show cards.
boogerfish wins $21.55

I've got the feeling that playing AAxx hands like this is going to get me murdered.

[ben_]

Dude these are hard to read.

[Hattifnatt]

If you're not using a converter of some kind, at least add the /images/graemlins/spade.gif /images/graemlins/diamond.gif /images/graemlins/heart.gif /images/graemlins/club.gif symbols to the cards in your hand and the board...

[BluffTHIS!]

You other posters are just spoiled. These hand histories are not hard to read if you ever review your own.

Whenever you have raised preflop with AAxx and a flop comes with two high straight cards in a multiway pot, someone will often be slowplaying a set and more often someone will have two pair, so unless your sidecards hit with some kind of draw it is often better to check and not escalate the pot. In hand #1 you were presumably relying on holding the naked ace to be able to make a play if the flush came, though on the $25 tables it is wishful thinking to believe someone will fold a ten high flush. In hand #2 though you actually got a very good flop with one high card and two rags and no straight draws unless the opponent had something like 6543. So unless your opponent in this headsup pot is known for slowplaying sets, I would have either bet the pot again to prevent his making two pair assuming he would call with one pair on the flop (something like AJT9), or I would have check/called. Even if he had J8 and thus made two pair, you have a gutshot to admittedly the bad end of a straight, and if the board pairs low that often will win the pot. Again this all depends on whether you have a read on how this opponent plays various types of hands.

[Bartholow]

You're not at all worried about the flush in hand 2?

[Bartholow]

A lot of this depends on how the table has been playing. In bigger games often people will be able to put you on the AA and try to take the pot away from you on the flop if it doesn't look like it hit you. But then there are also a lot of times when I can bet the pot after raising preflop and everyone will just fold unless they have actually hit something good. My impression is that at the smallest limits that won't work because people will call with bad draws and such, but I don't think it is necessarily a mistake to come out firing on the flop. Just don't do any calling without hitting something.

I think you made a good fold on hand 2.

[BluffTHIS!]

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You're not at all worried about the flush in hand 2?

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I apologize. After saying these hand histories are not hard to read (I still don't think they are), I admit I missed that. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Hattifnatt]

They ARE hard to read /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[nicky g]

[ QUOTE ]
You other posters are just spoiled. These hand histories are not hard to read if you ever review your own.



[/ QUOTE ]

They are unpleasant to read. He is asking for people's help, the least he could do inreturn is present the hands in a way that is easy on the eye. He doesn;t have to, but he shouldn;t expect as much feedback then as he would otherwise get.

[Cleveland Guy]

Hand #2 - Your AAxx hand is very weak.

You are in the BB.

This has been an unraised, multi way pot so far.

CHECK.

IF you bet big - you are announcing to the world you have aces.

If you bet small like you did - you don't drive anyone out, now you have a bad AA hand, out of position, and no idea what flop will help/hurt someone.

[obi---one]

I think aa are sucker hands in pot limit omaha when you dont hit the flop hard.

[jeffraider]

[ QUOTE ]
Hand #2 - Your AAxx hand is very weak.

You are in the BB.

This has been an unraised, multi way pot so far.

CHECK.

IF you bet big - you are announcing to the world you have aces.

If you bet small like you did - you don't drive anyone out, now you have a bad AA hand, out of position, and no idea what flop will help/hurt someone.

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks, I felt really dumb about the raise from the BB with these weak aces. I felt like I was telling everyone what I had, and that when the guy made such a smooth bet on the turn he may have made the flush and he may just have been outplaying the snot out of me.

Thanks for all the advice, everyone! I promise my next hand histories will be prettier for everyone, I do appreciate that people don't like reading these this way. I don't mind because I spend at least an hour every day pouring over my SnG HHs.

What do you guys think about the pokerhand.org format? Easier, or what? I personally don't like them at all really, especially the hassle of having to open up another window, etc.