Limping with ATo

Trix · #1 06-19-2004, 05:25 AM

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed)

-UTG(11$ before this) is very loose and semi aggressive. So far I´ve seen 64o and Kx in this spot.

-SB is very loose, passive and weak(He will slow down fast). He chase nothing and calls down with J high. He play s Qx in EP.

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG calls $5 (All-In).

River: (6.33 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds.

Final Pot: 7.33 BB

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2) Same two players. Shortstacked guy is the second limper is this.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (7 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks.

River: (3.16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 5.16 BB

Guido · #2 06-19-2004, 05:27 AM

Could you explain to me why you didn't raise this preflop?

Guido

Trix · #3 06-19-2004, 05:30 AM

I wanted SB to come along and it would make it very easy to play.
Not sure if it was correct though.

Saborion · #4 06-19-2004, 05:34 AM

I think raising is the better choice. You *might* get it HU with that loose UTG fella. If you don't, SB is most likely paying $5 to come in with [censored], and you really don't mind that. Or?

Joe826 · #5 06-19-2004, 05:46 AM

You gotta raise ATo in that position, why do you think the hand will be easier to play if SB comes along? Because the pot is protected some how? I think raising this preflop makes it MUCH easier to play, as is the case with raising in general. Not to mention the fact that you probably have the best hand at the moment..

Trix · #6 06-19-2004, 05:49 AM

If I raise, then I would probably have to bet both flop and turn, but if I limp I´m very unlikely to make any mistakes postflop.

The real question is whether the equity I give up preflop is worth it.

Guido · #7 06-19-2004, 06:07 AM

Why do you have to bet the flop and turn? I never get that part... Is somebody holding a gun to your head? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Guido

Joe826 · #8 06-19-2004, 06:10 AM

I think you're a much better player than me, but IMO that's incredibly weak thinking. It's always easier to get away from a hand if you don't raise preflop, even when you shouldn't. ATo doesn't play well with others, and by just limping you're giving yourself a much greater chance to lose the hand to the BB/SB's worse hands.

Trix · #9 06-19-2004, 06:22 AM

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Why do you have to bet the flop and turn?

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Because these guys will chase without looking at their cards ?

Trix · #10 06-19-2004, 06:28 AM

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ATo doesn't play well with others, and by just limping you're giving yourself a much greater chance to lose the hand to the BB/SB's worse hands.

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I also very likely wont make any mistakes postflop.

I dont claim this to be the correct way of playing this hand. I posted it to find out if it was worth giving up some preflop equity in order to lower the chance of making mistakes postflop greatly and having your opponents make bigger mistakes postflop.