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Poorly played Q-Q hand?
Looks fairly standard to me but just thought I'd double chect.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (10 handed) converter BB (t1760) UTG (t1075) UTG+1 (t2430) UTG+2 (t1450) MP1 (t2120) MP2 (t1045) MP3 (t565) CO (t1395) Hero (t1505) SB (t2050) Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, <font color="CC3333">MP1 raises to t100</font>, MP2 calls t100, MP3 folds, CO calls t100, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t350</font>, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="CC3333">MP1 raises to t800</font>, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero calls t450. Flop: (t1875) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font> <font color="CC3333">MP1 bets t900</font>, Hero calls t705 (All-In). Turn: (t3480) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> River: (t3480) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> Final Pot: t3480 <font color="green">Main Pot: t3285 (t3285), between MP1 and Hero.</font> > <font color="white">Pot won by MP1 (t3285).</font> <font color="green">Pot 2: t195 (t195), returned to MP1.</font> Results in white below: <font color="white"> MP1 shows Ah Ac (one pair, aces). Hero shows Qs Qc (one pair, queens). Outcome: MP1 wins t3480. </font> |
#2
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Re: Poorly played Q-Q hand?
I think maybe calling the reraise was probably OK. But once the flop missed me like that, facing a bet that would put me all-in, I would have gritted my teeth and tossed it away.
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Re: Poorly played Q-Q hand?
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I think maybe calling the reraise was probably OK. But once the flop missed me like that, facing a bet that would put me all-in, I would have gritted my teeth and tossed it away. [/ QUOTE ] I don't know about others, but I generally wouldn't say that a raggy undercard flop "misses" QQ. That said, that small preflop re-raise is awfly suspicious. I really don't like to lay down QQ online with an unthreatening board, but unless you'd seen this player making these small re-raises before, it's hard to imagine what else he would do it with. It's a tough fold though. I don't think I could make it in a $20 online tournament unless I had actually taken a note on a player that a small preflop re-raise means AA/KK (and I try to take this note whenever I see that behavior). |
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Re: Poorly played Q-Q hand?
I was thinking the same thing. Flop looks pretty good for Queens.
And in a 20 dollar online tourney, I'm going busted here if I see that flop. I may fold BTF, but if I call the reraise, no way do I fold that flop. |
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Re: Poorly played Q-Q hand?
In a multi with a buy-in at $30 or higher or with good players, I might be able to lay this down instead of calling his raise to 800 preflop, since its likely he has AA,KK, AK. Once he’s allin on the flop I would clearly fold. I don’t see him limp-reraising with JJ, TT, and he’d have to be pretty loose/agr to push allin with AK. Usually limp-reraise then push on flop is AA or KK particularly in an MTT. By contrast, I do exactly what you did at low level sng. |
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Re: Poorly played Q-Q hand?
My thinking here is not that the flop missed me, but rather it MUST have missed my opponent. I push here as well, and commiseriate with you on the rail.
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Re: Poorly played Q-Q hand?
I suppose the real question is, how many times do you think you are going to run into AK/JJ/TT with this betting pattern and this player?
To me the pre-flop reraise smells an awful lot like a very big pair. But if you do call here, you have also to be prepared to call all-in on the flop as it's highly likely this guy is going to push after such an aggressive pre-flop move. So I think its either fold pre-flop or stake your tournament on a read that he's representing aces. Nasty. |
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Re: Poorly played Q-Q hand?
Another question for everyone...
Is it not common for players to largely over play hands like J-J and T-T? |
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Re: Poorly played Q-Q hand?
Yes, they get overplayed all the time, especially in $30+3 and lower.
IMHO the type of player who overplays these hands is not the type of player to re-raise you pre-flop and not be all-in himself. Had he just called PF then pushed on that flop, it would be easier to put him on JJ-TT. The re-raise without putting himself all-in looks like an invitation to come over top of him. (20/20 hindsight notwithstanding [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) regards, woodguy |
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Re: Poorly played Q-Q hand?
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Is it not common for players to largely over play hands like J-J and T-T? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. However, *usually* when they are overplayed, they are overplayed by the player pushing all-in with them. If the other player had pushed preflop, I would have called with QQ in a heartbeat, and if it is KK-AA, oh well. Making a minimum or close the minimum reraise is pretty darn suspicious, and I've seen it mean AA/KK more often than not. I washed out of the 1000 WCOOP last year by essentially ignoring this piece of advice. I raised with AJ in LP, got min re-raised, and then ended up all-in on a J high flop against KK. |
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