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Old 06-16-2004, 11:20 AM
charlie_t_jr charlie_t_jr is offline
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Default Gotta Fold KK, Right?

No reads, other than pretty typical party 1/2 table. A few Ax, Kx, non suited calls. Pot gets big, but I need to fold my pocket K's with this action, right? Or do I grit my teeth and see the turn?


Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Button caps</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (17.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG+2 raises $2 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds, Button calls, UTG+1 calls.

With the action, and pre-flop capper yet to act, routine fold?

Turn: (11.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (13.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

Does anyone see the turn in this situation?

Results in white below: <font color="white">
UTG+1 shows 9h Ah (two pair, aces and nines).
UTG+2 shows 8h Ad (two pair, aces and fives).
Button shows Qc Qh (two pair, queens and fives).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 15.75 BB. </font>
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Old 06-16-2004, 11:25 AM
dfscott dfscott is offline
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Default Re: Gotta Fold KK, Right?

I wouldn't put much stock in the UTG+2 raise, but it's still forcing you to call two cold. Easy fold.
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Old 06-16-2004, 12:00 PM
Bill Smith Bill Smith is offline
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Default Re: Gotta Fold KK, Right?

With 3 others in a capped pot, somebody has the ace. See the turn for 1 bet, but run away for two. Good fold.
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Old 06-16-2004, 01:34 PM
cjromero cjromero is offline
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Default Re: Gotta Fold KK, Right?

Because the second raise was from an "all-in guy", I would have called two bets on the flop and at least seen the turn. UTG+1 could be testing to see if someone else has an Ace. UTG+2 could raise (and probably is raising) because he's tired of playing and just wants to get off the table. We have all seen that more times than we can count.
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Old 06-16-2004, 01:42 PM
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Default Re: Gotta Fold KK, Right?

I think the flop fold is good. You have one pf raiser betting into you and the button who capped pf acting behind you. I wouldn't worry too much about the UTG+2 raise with him being all in but I don't call 2 cold here with the button left to act and an Ace on the board.
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Old 06-16-2004, 02:00 PM
charlie_t_jr charlie_t_jr is offline
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Default Re: Gotta Fold KK, Right?

Yeah, that was my thought. With the button capper, I was expecting a 3-bet. I guess this was a pretty routine fold, I kind of realized that as I was making the post. But when your running bad, you tend to question even the mundane things.

A few sessions ago, I had pocket Q's, capped preflop, got in the middle of 2 guys that wanted to cap the flop, when a K came down...I folded to when it was 2 bets to me...showdown...one had pocket 9s, the other pocket 10's...ah crap....that's just the way it goes, when your on a 100+ BB slide...
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