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Old 06-16-2004, 10:57 AM
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Default Raise and fold to the 3-bet 5/10 SH


5/10 SH table, 6 handed. Table has at least one very LAG, in the BB and I'm getting a little out of line. Rest of table is pretty tight, and letting me often get heads-up with the LAG. I'm UTG with K9o. Player to my immediate left is ultra-tight and 3-bets. Folded back to me. I fold. Comments on the raise and the fold?
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Old 06-16-2004, 11:47 AM
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Default Re: Raise and fold to the 3-bet 5/10 SH

I fold this 100% of the time. I guess I'm not sure what I would do with the 3bet, since I don't put myself in this position too often, though I'm fairly sure I'd at least see a flop...but I guess that is uber-dependent on just how tight the 3betting standards are for your opponent.
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Old 06-16-2004, 11:49 AM
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Default Re: Raise and fold to the 3-bet 5/10 SH

If I were to accidentally hit the raise button in this situation, then yes I would fold against an ultra-tight player.

I would have mucked pre-flop without a thought UTG before it came to raising.
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Old 06-16-2004, 11:54 AM
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I would usually fold it too, but I was out of line. I was trying to exorcise some weak-tight demons that have haunted me the last few days, as well as understand the position the LAG is in by playing this way (raising K9o UTG SH). Is it ever right to take a shot with such a hand?

Player to my left is generally tight and I know he's been itching to 3-bet me since my LAG and legit raises pre-flop have kept him out of most hands. He left one hand later when the blind came to him. Frustrated, I guess, by waiting for a big pair and then getting no action from yours truly. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 06-16-2004, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: Raise and fold to the 3-bet 5/10 SH

If your UTG raises are getting too much respect then it's good to mix it up a bit. I'll usually at least want the suited version of K9 in this situation if that was the hand I was going to mix it up with.
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Old 06-16-2004, 12:22 PM
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Default Re: Raise and fold to the 3-bet 5/10 SH

You are right, K9s would have been better. I've typically been leaving tables when I get too much respect, even when there are two or so players who clearly are making large mistakes. I want to be able to keep playing at these tables and turning up the aggression factor seems to be the only way. Getting the weak-tights to lay down a lot of hands to the aggression, especially post-flop, is my goal.
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Old 06-16-2004, 01:21 PM
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Default Re: Raise and fold to the 3-bet 5/10 SH

Do I understand correctly that you raised the pot UTG in a 6-handed game with K9?

Please, never do that again. Or if you do, be sure you're sitting to my right.
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Old 06-16-2004, 01:27 PM
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Default Re: Raise and fold to the 3-bet 5/10 SH

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as well as understand the position the LAG is in by playing this way

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This is a cop out. You made the raise, deal with it. I'll sometimes raise marginal hands in lineups where people are extremely tight but there is one exceptionally loose player. I call this a long-range isolation raise. Even thinking players won't be too quick to 3-bet you lightly if they respect your postflop play.

That said, K9o is the wrong hand to do this with.

That also said, you have to call preflop and play a top pair or better strategy.
-James
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Old 06-16-2004, 02:03 PM
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Default Re: Raise and fold to the 3-bet 5/10 SH


Not copping to anything here. I was literally playing a little wacko for a couple of rounds to get in the head of the LAG.

I read his 3-bet as very likely to be large PP (TT or higher, or AK). Didn't want to go to war with that on the flop, even if I hit my K.
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Old 06-16-2004, 02:09 PM
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Default Re: Raise and fold to the 3-bet 5/10 SH

Yah, I like my "mix it up" raises to be suited. I usually go with medium suited connectors like 98s or 76s.
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