Risk my stack?

bakku · #1 06-10-2004, 01:52 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP3 (t12454)
CO (t5497)
Button (t6384)
SB (t9074)
BB (t4000)
UTG (t16302)
UTG+1 (t7050)
MP1 (t6627)
Hero (t13212)

UTG+1 is slightly loose, he'll call an all-in with hands he shouldn't
SB has been playing pretty tight, but I wouldn't be surprised if I had a better hand. He loved pushing with any pocket pair so I really had no idea.

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t400, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1200, 3 folds, SB raises to t9074 (All-In), 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t6650 (All-In), Hero folds.

There's about 75 players left at this point with 60 payouts. Easy fold here?

gcDanno · #2 06-10-2004, 01:58 PM

I'd call. Almost triple up, and then win the whole thing. Or you could, fold, limp into the money, and be happy for that.

No way I'm folding QQ online, to steal a line from eMark.
gc

UMTerp · #3 06-10-2004, 02:05 PM

If SB seemed like a reasonably competent player, I have no problem with this fold. He had to have known you had a hand there. I don't like the "don't fold QQ preflop online" rule. Need to analyze each situation seperately.

Jason Strasser · #4 06-10-2004, 02:11 PM

I tend to not believe limp calls like this, which scream of a hand like 88-JJ. If the table was ultra agressive, and the UTG player knew that there was a good chance he'd get all his money in PF with AA or KK, then maybe I'd give him credit. In this case, you are probably ahead. The person going all in probably has AK, and the person calling has 88. Thats my incredible read! Anyhow, I say call. You want the real money, right? It's unlikely you are dominated.

UMTerp · #5 06-10-2004, 02:40 PM

I'm more worried about the SB than UTG here.

37offsuit · #6 06-10-2004, 02:45 PM

I'd wait for a better spot, assuming you're somewhere near the middle of the pack and limping into the money if need be is an option here, unless there are a ton of extremely short stacks still around where it's likely that you could lose this hand and still get into the money with your 4K playing reasonably well.

bakku · #7 06-10-2004, 03:03 PM

My stack is about 1.5x the average right now, and yes I think I would have been able to limp into the money even if I lost this hand

cferejohn · #8 06-10-2004, 03:06 PM

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If SB seemed like a reasonably competent player, I have no problem with this fold. He had to have known you had a hand there. I don't like the "don't fold QQ preflop online" rule. Need to analyze each situation seperately.

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Since I am one of the advocators of this rule, I just want to point out that my rule is actually "I never fold QQ online *against one other player*". Here, it's close. The fact that UTG limped, then saw a raise and an all-in and still called looks very much like AA to me. I think a fold here is fine, but I could be swung either way depending on what I know about the two players in question.

bakku · #9 06-10-2004, 03:17 PM

UTG+1 is slightly loose, he'll call an all-in with hands he shouldn't

I was more scared of the SB's hand than UTG+1. However, I did make a bad fold. SB was trying to buy the pot with 22 (I guess he wasn't too bright afterall) and UTG+1 had AJo.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP3 (t12454)
CO (t5497)
Button (t6384)
SB (t9074)
BB (t4000)
UTG (t16302)
UTG+1 (t7050)
MP1 (t6627)
Hero (t13212)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t400, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1200, 3 folds, SB raises to t9074 (All-In), 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t6650 (All-In), Hero folds.

Flop: (t17724) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t17724) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t17724) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t17724
Main Pot: t15700 (t15700), between SB and UTG+1. > Pot won by UTG+1 (t15700).
Pot 2: t2024 (t2024), returned to SB.

Results in white below: 
SB shows 2s 2h (two pair, aces and twos).
UTG+1 shows Jd Ah (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins t15700. SB wins t2024.

No Nuts · #10 06-10-2004, 03:54 PM

Haven't yet seen the results, but I think it's an easy fold. Is it likely that with an all-in raise AND an all-in caller that you're the favorite to win the hand? At best it's a coinflip and at worst you're a huge underdog. I think you made the right play.