5 different 15/30 hands...

Senor Choppy · #1 06-09-2004, 11:42 AM

Hand #1: UTG is a 2+2er. VP$IP is around 19%, PFR is 10%. Has been very straight forward in the hands I've played against him. This is the only laydown like this I've ever made online, but it seemed reasonable here.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 4 folds, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.66 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.83 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.83 BB
Main Pot: 7.83 BB, won by UTG.
Pot 2: 1 BB, returned to UTG.

Results in white below: 
No showdown. UTG wins 8.83 BB. 

Hand #2: Flop action didn't really raise any red flags yet, as the opponents involved would 3 bet and cap with a variety of hands that could've hit this flop. The turn bet by the CO seemed very much like a set of 5s as soon as he bet. I was getting 13-1 on a 4-1 shot. It felt very wrong to toss my hand here, although this is the type of laydown I don't mind making. On the river I obviously don't want to check-raise, so I felt like I had to bet it, as check-calling after hitting the nut flush seems dumb. Afterwards I realized that paying 2 bets on the river instead of 1, when knowing I was drawing dead to begin with was dumber :/

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button raises, Hero calls, BB calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Button raises, Hero calls, BB folds, MP3 folds, CO 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (14 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Button folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18 BB
Main Pot: 18 BB, between Hero and CO. > Pot won by CO (18 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Ah Jh (flush, ace high).
CO shows 5c 5s (full house, fives full of eights).
Outcome: CO wins 18 BB. 

Hand #3: I've thought a lot about hands like this after rereading one of Mason's essays, talking about hands where you effectively need some kind of parlay to take place in order to win. In this situation, I need 2 non-spade cards to come in addition to my opponents missing whatever their hole cards are, or to hit a 5 if someone has a bigger pocket pair. After the MP2 caller on the flop, it seemed like I wouldn't be able to thin the field enough to make continuing worthwhile. According to the results, I'm smarter than I thought [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (14 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (9 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.

River: (13 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG bets, MP1 folds, MP2 raises, Button folds, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB
Main Pot: 17 BB, between MP2 and UTG. > Pot won by MP2 (17 BB).

Results in white below: 
UTG shows Kh 5h (one pair, kings).
MP2 shows 5s As (straight flush, five high).
Outcome: MP2 wins 17 BB. 

Hand #4: Opponent here has a VP$IP of 12%(!) and a PFR or 5% after 700 hands, which makes getting into confrontations with the guy about as stupid as it gets. I actually said to myself, maybe he has 8s after calling his flop bet. I can't see any reason I should've continued with the hand.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks,

Flop: (5 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB
Main Pot: 6.50 BB, between Hero and MP1. > Split: Hero (3.25 BB), MP1 (3.25 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows 8c 8h (one pair, eights).
MP1 shows 8s 8d (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 3.25 BB. MP1 wins 3.25 BB. 

Hand #5: This one I think I played well. The opponent is a solid player, less than 25% VP$IP, PFR under 10 I believe. Seemed like the type willing to raise on the turn for a cheap showdown but also toss the hand if shown more aggression.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP2 3-bets, 5 folds, UTG calls, Hero caps, MP2 calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (13.66 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.83 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

River: (12.83 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 14.83 BB
Main Pot: 14.83 BB, between Hero and MP2. > Pot won by Hero (14.83 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Ad Ah (four of a kind, aces).
MP2 shows Qs Qc (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 14.83 BB.

stoxtrader · #2 06-09-2004, 12:16 PM

Hand #1: big laydown, but it sure seems reasonable. If you have to laydown to a c/r is it still correct to bet? I guess the answer is yes.

#2 - agreed, turn is close between calling and folding. check calling the river is the play.

#3 - is this call pre-flop at least borderline? I think I fold here. You did get 7 way action though, so what do I know? good laydown on flop.

#4 - tough hand without position, generally want to really see a showdown, but against someone with these types of stats, a laydown to a flop raise or a tun bet can't be too bad.

#5 - In this situation you probably got the max, but Istill think I 3 bet the turn, there are plenty of players who will see a showdown here, or even play back at you with aggression for aggression's sake that I think over 1000 trials you get more bets in this way because some moron will go 4 bets on the turn and 1 or 2 on the river...

nice hands.

Senor Choppy · #3 06-09-2004, 03:44 PM

Hand #3: I used to fold in situations like this, but with the 2/3 blind structure, (and the loose nature of the 15/30), I can count on 1 more caller, and I think playing the hand 5 way is good enough even for 2 bets. I don't mind calling 2 cold with pocket pairs, but almost never do so with suited connectors, no matter how many people are seeing the flop.

#5: Yeah, I probably did give this person too much credit. Just knowing how annoying it has to be to keep trying to raise to see the river cheaply, and then keep getting fired into, makes me like the play a lot more than I probably should. It's like the weak-tight verson of the triple check-raise [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Godwin · #4 06-10-2004, 10:33 AM

My first post here.

This is how I see it:

Hand #1: I call the raise where you folded. Then I check and call on the river. OK, you got check-raised. OK, he is probably ahead of you. Not by enough to give it up unless you know him pretty well.

Hand #2: You played fine except I would have checked and called on the river.

Hand #3: This hand I fold pre-flop. It is weak unless it hits a set. I don't mind trying to do that for one bet, but not for two. Then there are the times you lose set over set. It may be slightly +EV, but why give yourself headaches?

Hand #4: I didn't see any real problems with this.

Hand #5: I think you missed a couple bets. Maybe the non-reraise on the flop is OK...don't want to give too much away, but on the turn you gotta push it in.

Godwin