Pot Odds to make me call turn

Wada · #1 06-04-2004, 07:30 PM

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Preflop: Wada is MP1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls, Wada calls, MP2 (poster) checks, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks,

Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Wada checks, MP2 checks, Button bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds, Wada raises, MP2 folds, Button 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, Wada calls.

Turn: (8 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Wada checks, Button bets, BB calls, Wada calls.

River: (11 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Wada checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Results in white below: 
BB shows Ad Jc (one pair, jacks).
Wada shows 8s 9s (high card, jack).
Button shows Ts Ah (one pair, tens).
Outcome: BB wins 11 BB. 

Was this correct to call - Im unsure with the pot odds and outs. I believe I was getting 7:1 pot odds on 8 outs which is something like 5:1 odds. So by calling on the turn it was a correct play with +EV right?

And this next hand was correct to fold?
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Preflop: Wada is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Wada calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB raises, 1 fold, UTG calls, Wada calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, Wada calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, Wada folds, Button folds.

River: (8.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results in white below: 
SB shows Qh Qd (one pair, queens).
UTG shows Td Ac (one pair, aces).
Outcome: UTG wins 10.50 BB.

bisonbison · #2 06-04-2004, 07:34 PM

Why did you check-raise the flop?

sublime · #3 06-04-2004, 07:36 PM

dont worry about the turn.

your flop play was poor. you had the pot odds to call your GSD(adding 1 out for runner flush), but raising makes little to no sense.

Wada · #4 06-04-2004, 07:37 PM

I think semi bluff - Heck...now that I think about it I dont remember actually. Well why not? Or should I have just bet?

Wada · #5 06-04-2004, 07:39 PM

I dont understand... remember Im novice. Can you explain it better

bisonbison · #6 06-04-2004, 07:45 PM

You have an inside straight draw and a backdoor flush draw. You do not have a betting hand. If you wish to continue in this hand (which is probably not advisable), you're going to want to go as cheaply as possible.

Wada · #7 06-04-2004, 07:52 PM

Ok...think I see what you guys are saying -by raising I was not giving myself the correct pot odds. I made it worse. A check/call would have been ok? or bet?

B Dids · #8 06-04-2004, 07:53 PM

I suck at math, but how are you getting 8 outs.

1 for the back door flush, 4 sevens. Where's the other three?

Hand 2- fold preflop.

Wada · #9 06-04-2004, 07:56 PM

I did not consider the flush once the Jd hit on the turn. I calculated 8 outs after the turn - needed a 7 or Q to make the straight on the river. 7777,QQQQ = 8 outs.

brian0729 · #10 06-04-2004, 07:58 PM

Hand 1: What is the flop raise trying to accomplish?

Hand 2: Fold preflop, Call the turn.