15-30 at Commerce - KK hand

[Six_of_One]

This hand took place Monday morning around 8am. It's my first time playing in a 15-30 game (my usual game recently has been 8-16 at the Bike), so I apologize if this question seems basic. But anyway, here it is:

I have K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG+1 in a 7-handed game. UTG folds, I raise. MP calls, as does the button and the SB.

Flop comes Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB checks, I bet, MP raises. The button folds, and the SB calls 2 bets. I call.

Turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB checks, I check, MP bets, SB calls. I checkraise, they both call.

River: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

SB checks, I bet, MP calls. SB checkraises. She has just recently sat down, seems to play fairly loosely. I haven't seen any evidence of her being tricky in the few hands she's played so far.

I call, MP folds. She shows 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for the straight.

Comments on how I played it?

[MrGo]

I would have 3-bet the flop. I put MP on AQ. If the SB is loose, then she just caught her draw. I would fold the river however. You have to wonder what the SB was sticking around for to the river? If she is loose, she could have hit two pair on the river, or a straight, which she did.

[haakee]

I think you played it just fine. Sometimes I'll 3-bet the flop, sometimes I'll check-raise the turn. You have a clear value bet on the river and against a fairly unknown opponent you've got to call the river raise.

[DcifrThs]

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I think you played it just fine. Sometimes I'll 3-bet the flop, sometimes I'll check-raise the turn. You have a clear value bet on the river and against a fairly unknown opponent you've got to call the river raise.

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i disagree. there is another player in this pot and an obvious draw card hit. further, after ALL OF THAT action, the sb EXPECTS a call and wants one. you know the sb has at least a good two pair, set, or straight here to do that. loose does not = aggressive and the player "hasn't gotten out of line". this c-r would be VERY out of line if it couldn't beat a single pair.

lay down the river with confidence you did the correct thing. and DONT EVEN THINK about telling or showing anybody what you laid down.

-Barron

[MrGo]

I think this is an easy fold to a raise on the river. Raised pre-flop and flop, then checkraised on the turn. I don't see how any pair is going to win this pot.

[Garland]

I might have 3-bet the flop, but the checkraise on the turn was excellent.

I would also fold the river checkraise. There's no way SB is bluffing in this position, and you have to figure SB was calling 2 cold on some type of draw or potential, or even a made hand like a set.

Garland

[Six_of_One]

I saw it as an either/or kind of thing; that is, I could 3-bet the flop, or I could checkraise the turn, but I couldn't do both. In the past I have 3-bet the flop more often in these situations, but I think checkraising the turn works better, as long as I'm not against players who will lay their hand down for an extra bet on the turn.

I agree that I should have folded to the river checkraise. There's pretty much no way the SB could have a worse hand than mine, assuming she's not crazy.

[cero_z]

Hi DT,
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the player "hasn't gotten out of line"...
lay down the river with confidence you did the correct thing

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This is excellent reasoning in general, but I would've called this time. This is because the SB had not played at the table long, and you can't be sure she isn't bat-[censored] insane yet. It'd be worth that bet to me to know if she was (and to see if she's a 65suited loose or Q3off loose). When she showed her straight, you could still muck quietly without showing.