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Old 05-28-2004, 11:12 PM
Steve Giufre Steve Giufre is offline
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Default AK out of position, pick your default play

20-40 BIke. One limper and all fold to me in the SB. I have A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and raise. BB folds, heads up. The limper is decent, probably a little over aggresive, but is a thinking player and pretty tricky.

Flop:10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I bet, he quickly calls.

Turn:8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I check, he bets, I call.

River is a brick and I check and call.

Pick your default play on the turn here agaist a tricky oppenent. Do you bet and fold to a raise, bet and call a raise, check and call, or check and fold? I think an argument can be made for each choice, which is what makes these hands interesting even though they seem boring at first glance.
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Old 05-29-2004, 07:35 AM
Ulysses Ulysses is offline
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Default Re: AK out of position, pick your default play

My default is probably to bet the turn, fold to a raise, and then check-call the river.

If I've checkraised a lot recently, I might check-fold.

If I haven't, I might checkraise.

If I don't think I can safely fold to a raise, I check-call - betting and calling a raise is my least favorite option.

I agree, this situation comes up all the time and it's pretty important to find the right line in each situation.
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Old 05-30-2004, 01:35 AM
BookOfIcculus BookOfIcculus is offline
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Default Re: AK out of position, pick your default play

This AKs is an easy turn fold on the turn. Sometimes however you have other info and check calling or semi-bluffing is more approriate. But most of the time its a fold.
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Old 05-30-2004, 02:35 AM
PittRounder PittRounder is offline
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Default Re: AK out of position, pick your default play

In my opinion, if you don't bet the turn you have to give up. You're inviting a bluff that you'll have to pay off on the river (if you pay off on the turn) so you might as well bet it yourself. I bet the turn almost religiously heads up with AK unimproved. If he did have you beat (pending he doesn't have a monster) he would have probably raised the flop. Folding to a turn raise is normally safe, except against very tricky players.
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Old 05-30-2004, 02:40 AM
Steve Giufre Steve Giufre is offline
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Default Re: AK out of position, pick your default play

Are you suggesting betting and folding to a raise, or check folding?
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Old 05-30-2004, 02:43 AM
Steve Giufre Steve Giufre is offline
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Default Re: AK out of position, pick your default play

Pit,

I usually bet he turn in these spots too. But agaist some players I think check calling can be correct. I would probably check call most of the time agaist someone who is capable of raising me with a worse hand on the turn, and who is also very likely to bluff at it if I check, thinking that I have given up the hand as you pointed out.
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Old 05-30-2004, 07:54 AM
Nate tha' Great Nate tha' Great is offline
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Default Re: AK out of position, pick your default play

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This AKs is an easy turn fold on the turn. Sometimes however you have other info and check calling or semi-bluffing is more approriate. But most of the time its a fold.

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Book,

It might be a fold some of the time, but I don't think that it's an *easy* fold. Opponents will often draw to two overcards like KJ or QJ on a raggety, T-high flop. What the correct way to proceed if your opponent holds one of those hands is open for debate, but it wouldn't be to fold. The situation is a lot different if, say, the T on Steve's flop were replaced by a Q.
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