How I played this PLO hand?

[Barbos]

Hi to all!

I'm enough newbie to PLO high only and is studying the game.
Here is the hand history of a hand I played recently:

Pot-limit omaha high, $0.25/$0.5 (8 handed)
MP1 ($151.25)
MP2 ($30.00)
CO ($32.50)
Button ($16.00)
SB ($69.75)
BB ($55.00)
Hero ($50.75)
UTG+1 ($306.00)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls, Button raises to $3.25, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls $2.75, UTG+1 calls $2.75, CO calls $2.75.

Flop: ($13.75) 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Button all-in $12.75, Hero calls $12.75, UTG+1 folds, CO folds.

Turn: A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

River: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Would anyone comment my preflop and flop action?
I think I had a good hand before flop but not sure about my action on flop.

What do you think about that?

Any comments will be highly appreciated! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Regards,
Barbos

[nicky g]

Hallo,
Welcome to the forum. Your preflop limp and flop call seem OK to me. The hand is nothing to get excited about but with three big cards and a not totally unconnected fourth card it's ok to see a flop. Your position isn't great though and I wouldn't chastise a cautious beginner for folding this to the raise.

I don't understand your flop call at all. You had bottom pair and no draw. Why did you call here?

[Gahnia radula]

I think the limp is ok

Calling the raise im not to sure about

The SB and BB both fold so your first in with a non-suited ace and no low redraw

Meaning that if a A or 2 flops your you can kiss your nut low goodbye

In my experience a preflop raise in a low limite O8 games means either AAxx, A23X or A2XX (im sure Buzz will disagree with me here [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img])

Either way i think your behind with this hand especially given your position

Mucking wouldnt be the worst option, but if you intend to play this hand you may have to dump it on the flop if an A or 2 flops and you miss your high draw

The flop

I can see NO reason to call a bet on this flop especially an all bet DUMP IT!!!

You have bottom pair, your low draw is all but dead and the only hi draw you have are runner runner flush and straight...Easy fold

Hope this helped

Gahnia radula

[MilesDavis]

Gahnia radula, unless I missed something this is a high only PLO hand.

As such Barbos, I think you need to fold this hand. I wouldn't play this hand from any postion, certainly not from first postition. The later you get the more you can open up your standards, but when UTG I would only play 4 coordianted cards.

On the flop you should be even more convinced that you are behind and you need to release the hand. You can't call a bet with bottom pair.

[Gahnia radula]

Oops good spot Miles

Ignor what i said

Gahnia radula

[Buzz]

[ QUOTE ]
In my experience a preflop raise in a low limite O8 games means either AAxx, A23X or A2XX (im sure Buzz will disagree with me here )

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Gahnia - He's asking about Omaha-high, not Omaha-8. But, although where I mostly play O8 (Los Angeles area casinos), some of my opponents raise before the flop with various other hands, I don't exactly disagree with you - because some people raise with AAXX and other people raise with A2XX. Still others raise with A23X. I, personally, might or might not raise with any hand, depending on the table atmosphere, the individual players who are at the table, the individual players who are still in the hand, my position, and what I thought my raise might accomplish.

Barbos - I don't personally like your hand much for a limit game of Omaha-high. The reason is your cards are not all working together very well.

Let's forget suits to make this as simple as possible, although in a real game suits would be very important.

You want closely coordinated hands not only because you have a better chance of finding a fit with the flop, but also because you want re-draws to better hands when you do make a hand on the flop or turn.

For example, although you do have a re-draw to a better hand if the board after the turn is KQJT, you don't have a redraw if the board after the turn is QJT9, KQT9 or KJT9. But you would have a re-draw to all of these hands if your starting hand was the more closely coordinated AKQJ.

You also have more working combinations to find a fit with the board in the first place if your cards are closely coordinated. AKQJ, for example, has AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ, and QJ - a total of six two-card combinations that work together to make various nut straights, depending on the board. By contrast, AKQ2 only has a total of three not straight combos. (A2 only makes a straight when the board has 345, and in that case there would be at least two better straights possible, and depending on the other board cards, possibly more). The deuce works with all the other cards to make a full house, but it's apt to be a losing full house more often than if the AKQ has a jack or a ten to go with it instead of the deuce.

So I'd fold this hand in a New York second in a game of Omaha-high, either limit or pot limit. Part of the reason I'd fold the hand would be because I am relatively inexperienced at playing Omaha-high and I tend to play more tightly in games where my opponents have more experience. (An Omaha-high expert might do well with the hand, but I'd rather wait for a more closely coordinated hand, which would give me more chances to win).

Think of what cards you'd like to hold in your hand for any particular flop, Barbos. For this particular flop wouldn't you rather have TTXX or 34XX - perhaps as 3467, 5TXX - or even AAXX?

While none of those hands look great to me as starting hands, I think you have to be concerned that one of your opponents has a hand with a two-card combination that fits the flop better than any two-card combination in your own hand.

It often happens that players with short stacks, especially in the blinds or on the button, go all-in early in the action. Thus you should be wary, both before and after the flop of an early raise by the player on the button who has a short stack.

In a live game, you often can sense when these all-in raises by a short stacked player are coming. And this possible (or probable) semi-maniacal play is something to take into consideration.

At any rate, although you may think it's very possible the player on the button is bluffing, or making a move, neither your hand before the flop nor your hand/flop fit is good enough to trap.

I'd duck and leave the sheriffing to someone else.

Just my opinion.

Buzz

[Beavis68]

I am sure it has been said better, but this was a marginal pre-flop call, and the flop call really defies logic. There are on obvious draws that can justify a pot sized call here. All you have is a pair of two's.

[Barbos]

Thank you very much for all replies!
Now I see that my had was not very good, especially after raising. And my call on flop was very bad! But I'm only starting to study PLO so mistakes are inescapables [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

To the result: button showed K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and won the pot. He had better preflop hand, was leader on flop and outdrawn me on river.
I should be more careful next time!

Regards,
Barbos

[dogsballs]

I wouldn't payt a penny to teh pot for your hand preflop or on the flop.

- you're UTG.

- what's that 2 doing in there?

-you really like a pair on the flop here?

[DPCondit]

I don't play very much PLO high, but that doesn't seem like a good starting hand to me.

The flop barely hit you at all, as others have mentioned. You really can't call any size bet on that flop.